Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

[Alex337]

No, it doesn’t. And the weirdness of bringing up men who are sad because they are unable to be pregnant as you do in other posts is verging on the shockingly offensive.

I believe I only ever mentioned a transwoman I know who was sad because she couldn’t give birth. I don’t recall talking about a man?

Women who do not menstruate are still women. They may well have endured long medical interventions because of their biology. Women who have never been pregnant will often have still been passed over for promotion because of the fact that it is a possibility for them, regardless of whether they wanted children or not.

This is all true. Many transwomen are passed over for promotion, and even legally fired, due to their gender also.

The disadvantages that female biology create in our world are very real, and men have zero notion of the impact of them. In fact, the very fact of trans women’s insistence on invading women’s spaces is a perfect illustration of male socialization and entitlement.

The “disadvantages that female biology creates” are things we should be combating. And how do you explain transmen wanting to use male spaces (i.e. bathrooms)? Is that female privilege at play?

My daughters want to be able to undress in a space where male bodies are not present. I will defend that right all day long, regardless of how much a man wants to be validated in his chosen ‘identity’.

I’m still not sure how this keeps getting back to the bathroom thing? I’ve said more than a few times that neutral stalls would likely solve the whole problem and are usually tidier. Forcing folks to undress in front of other people, regardless of gender, is kinda weird.

 

[JoyToTheWhirled]

I haven’t mentioned bathrooms. I’m actually talking about school changing rooms in this context, where it is entirely possible that a boy who insists he is a girl will be allowed to change with girls.
Your disingenuous ‘I only mentioned a transwoman, not a man’ is more sophistry. A trans woman is a man, and the only way you can justify your illogical stance is to obscure the biological reality of what a woman is and create a metaphysical definition that anyone can identify into if they feel like it.
In fact, I would really like to hear a definition of ‘woman’ that isn’t circular. What is a woman if it isn’t the biological female of the human species?

 

[ConfusedLucy]

There don’t seem to be a whole lot of trans men wanting to show off their “male vaginas”, the difference in the behaviour of trans men and trans women is pretty striking.

 

[JoyToTheWhirled]

There don’t seem to be a whole lot of trans men wanting to show off their “male vaginas”, the difference in the behaviour of trans men and trans women is pretty striking.

Almost as if female and male socialization is entirely different…

 

[Alex337]

I haven’t mentioned bathrooms. I’m actually talking about school changing rooms in this context, where it is entirely possible that a boy who insists he is a girl will be allowed to change with girls.

I entirely and utterly oppose open plan changing rooms. I feel they are a breeding ground for bullying, and utterly cruel to impose on anyone let alone children going through puberty.

Your disingenuous ‘I only mentioned a transwoman, not a man’ is more sophistry. A trans woman is a man, and the only way you can justify your illogical stance is to obscure the biological reality of what a woman is and create a metaphysical definition that anyone can identify into if they feel like it.

I’m afraid I simply disagree with you there. She is very much a woman. The “biological reality” of sex is not as clear as one may assume.

In fact, I would really like to hear a definition of ‘woman’ that isn’t circular. What is a woman if it isn’t the biological female of the human species?

Good question This is one I am pondering currently. Biology is far too hazy after all. And societal expectations are also hazy. As such I believe it comes down to self assessment in many ways; do you, as a person, feel like your gender? Does your physical sex characteristics match you internal understanding of your own gender? I hope that makes sense?

 

[Pup7]

Cool. So have the transwomen I know. They’ve just had to deal with being misgendered for a portion of their life.

No, they haven’t. They were men. They have no clue what it’s like to grow up as a woman. It’s impossible.

I said I’ve been a woman “from birth”. The answer isn’t “so have the transwomen I know” - because that’s just not the case.

Back to Soc 101.

 

[Pup7]

She is very much a woman.

Really?

What’s her karyotype?

 

[Alex337]

There don’t seem to be a whole lot of trans men wanting to show off their “male vaginas”, the difference in the behaviour of trans men and trans women is pretty striking.

Oh dear. There are heaps of vocal transmen who are more than happy to talk about this. I’ve included a list of youtube channel links below of popular transmen vloggers;

• https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj7HXvKV3AXGTbGeOX5Wzw (upperCHASE1)
• https://www.youtube.com/user/MrPinocchio17 (Jammidodger)
• Sam Collins - YouTube (Sam Collins)
• https://www.youtube.com/user/HeyThere005 (Ash Hardell)
• https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYkXsiSerUoIqayxAgrcowQ (Kovu is a unicorn)

There are plenty more, this was just off the top of my head.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

She is very much a woman.

Really?

What’s her karyotype?

I’m not sure Mind you I’ve not had mine tested either; so I can’t be sure on that front either.

 

[Pup7]

The pedantism and deflection is strong in this one.

Unless you have Turner’s you are XX, and you know that. (I do believe you are female.)

A transwoman is either XY or XYY. They can be no other thing because they are men.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

Cool. So have the transwomen I know. They’ve just had to deal with being misgendered for a portion of their life.

No, they haven’t. They were men. They have no clue what it’s like to grow up as a woman. It’s impossible.

I said I’ve been a woman “from birth”. The answer isn’t “so have the transwomen I know” - because that’s just not the case.

Back to Soc 101.

The socialisation argument is one that’s a wee bit outdated. The problem is; every single person has a different experience growing up. I doubt mine was the same as yours, but that doesn’t negate the real experiences of either.

Much like immigrating to another country; you may not have grown up with the experiences of that country (which are unique across the country) but you’re still of that country.

 

[Pup7]

The socialisation argument is one that’s a wee bit outdated. The problem is; every single person has a different experience growing up.

I can’t help it. This is outrageous.

It’s outdated to say that a man doesn’t know what it’s like to be female?

What are you on about?

The experience does not matter. A man has no clue what it is like TO GROW UP AS A FEMALE because he is NOT and has never been one.

 

[Alex337]

The pedantism and deflection is strong in this one.

Unless you have Turner’s you are XX, and you know that. (I do believe you are female.)

A transwoman is either XY or XYY. They can be no other thing because they are men.

I freely admit I’m not trained in medicine while you are, but I thought there were more than that?

I know wiki is terrible for this kind of thing but it does list more;

Sex chromosome anomalies - Wikipedia

 

[ConfusedLucy]

But we don’t seem to be getting the same levels of aggression, threats and vile comments (very graphic and anatomical comments which I will not repeat) from trans men towards real men. There doesn’t seem to be a trans man equivalent of the cotton ceiling (only google if you have a strong stomach).

The idea that there is no difference between the biology and socialisation of the sexes isn’t realistic and a lot of this feels like a real step back for women’s rights.

 

[Pup7]

Again, pedantism - especially when you know darn well what is meant.

And since I would say that no disease state is assumed. Because being trans doesn’t mean you’re not karyotypically normal.

Yes, there are MANY, but this is not genetics class.

 

[JoyToTheWhirled]

JoyToTheWhirled:

Your disingenuous ‘I only mentioned a transwoman, not a man’ is more sophistry. A trans woman is a man, and the only way you can justify your illogical stance is to obscure the biological reality of what a woman is and create a metaphysical definition that anyone can identify into if they feel like it.

I’m afraid I simply disagree with you there. She is very much a woman. The “biological reality” of sex is not as clear as one may assume.

In fact, I would really like to hear a definition of ‘woman’ that isn’t circular. What is a woman if it isn’t the biological female of the human species?

Good question This is one I am pondering currently. Biology is far too hazy after all. And societal expectations are also hazy. As such I believe it comes down to self assessment in many ways; do you, as a person, feel like your gender? Does your physical sex characteristics match you internal understanding of your own gender? I hope that makes sense?

Biology is about as hazy as a brick. How in heavens name do you think the human race has managed to continue for millennia? We are sexually dimorphic. Simple as that. The rare instances of intersex cases do not change the simple inescapable fact that we are humans split into males and females, each supplying distinct, immutable factors in reproduction.
Gender is a completely different thing, and almost entirely cultural. I do not ’ feel’ like a woman. I have no internal sense of femaleness. I have had short hair, long hair, no hair. I have worn dresses, trousers, sports gear and a kitchen apron. I have liked football and sewing and childcare.
My sex is female. Gender is largely an oppressive box of nonsense squashing people into expectations and I reject it.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

The socialisation argument is one that’s a wee bit outdated. The problem is; every single person has a different experience growing up.

I can’t help it. This is outrageous.

It’s outdated to say that a man doesn’t know what it’s like to be female?

What are you on about?

Now friend, I see no reason to get snarky. It brings a conversation down.

You are yet to tell me what experience in a girl’s childhood is uniquely indicative of womanhood. If it’s a biological function there are women who don’t experience it, if it’s a societal thing that will vary greatly between places and times. And I don’t think any of them have greatly impacted me to a point where I couldn’t shrug them off.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

For thousands of years, men have been telling women what womanhood means.
Feminism was supposed to fix that.
And yet, today, we have men, seeking to be women, STILL attempting to dictate the terms of what womanhood means.

It would be comical if it weren’t so tragic.

 

[Alex337]

But we don’t seem to be getting the same levels of aggression, threats and vile comments (very graphic and anatomical comments which I will not repeat) from trans men towards real men. There doesn’t seem to be a trans man equivalent of the cotton ceiling (only google if you have a strong stomach).

The idea that there is no difference between the biology and socialisation of the sexes isn’t realistic and a lot of this feels like a real step back for women’s rights.

I’ve also noticed that you don’t seem to attack and accuse transmen of as many vile things. You often seem to forget they exist.

I argue that we can overcome physical differences. Just look at all the jobs we automate instead if relying on brute strength. And we can certainly overcome and societal differences, and should.

 

[Pup7]

Pup7:

Alex337:

The socialisation argument is one that’s a wee bit outdated. The problem is; every single person has a different experience growing up.

I can’t help it. This is outrageous.

It’s outdated to say that a man doesn’t know what it’s like to be female?

What are you on about?

Now friend, I see no reason to get snarky. It brings a conversation down.

You are yet to tell me what experience in a girl’s childhood is uniquely indicative of womanhood. If it’s a biological function there are women who don’t experience it, if it’s a societal thing that will vary greatly between places and times. And I don’t think any of them have greatly impacted me to a point where I couldn’t shrug them off.

That wasn’t snarky in the least. I literally laughed when I read what you wrote.

THE STATE OF BEING A FEMALE SHAPES HOW YOU ARE TREATED.

I’m not saying it’s a pejorative or negative. It’s a sociological fact, whether you care to admit it or not, study it or not, understand it or not, accept it or not. Doesn’t matter what culture you grow up in.

A man will NEVER know what it is like to be female. You don’t need long treatises on cultural constructs to get that - at least, most people don’t.

Do you have any idea what it’s like to be a male from birth? Walk through life as a man? Be male from day one?