Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

[Pup7]

And that is a real answer. I honestly have no clue as to why this is such a difficult concept.

Just. Being. Female.

Just. Being. Male.

This is sociology 101, Alex. Cultural norms vary and are only relevant as a piece of the construct. But IN YOUR CULTURE, you had the experience of growing up female. IN YOUR CULTURE others had the experience of growing up male. It actually is irrelevant where you lived - because you still had an experience as a female. You cannot possibly know what it is like to grow up WHEREVER you grew up as the opposite sex - because you were not that sex.

It’s exactly like my husband not getting what being raised American is like - he’s not, and he wasn’t raised here. When I lived in Saudi Arabia, I learned what it was like to be a NON-SAUDI in Saudi Arabia. But I can’t tell you one darned thing about being Saudi, because I’m not. I have only my experience.

My husband lived in Germany for seven years. But he’s not German, and he has no idea what it’s like to be German. Because he’s not.

 

[Alex337]

So can someone never become American either?

 

[Pup7]

Oh sweet Jesus, I knew you were going to say that. No.

That is NOT what I said.

What I said was, he will not ever know what it was like to be raised here, just like I would never know what it was like to be raised British. He can be as American as apple pie replete with blue passport, but he won’t have any idea what it was like to grow up here. That’s impossible. I can get a British passport, but I have no idea what it was like to grow up as a Brit. Impossible.

Doesn’t make him a bad person any more than the opposite would make me a bad person. It just means we can’t know what the other’s experience was like.

That wasn’t the point. Nationality and sex aren’t the same as far as I’m concerned anyway.

 

[Alex337]

So why does childhood matter? Would it matter if the person has been raised as the opposite gender to their chromosomes? Are they they opposite gender based on their upbringing in spite of their chromosomes?

 

[Pup7]

Couldn’t tell you, because I’m not that person. I don’t know, because I don’t have that experience. Sociologically, possibly. Physically, not a bit.

I think sex and gender are the same anyway. I was raised that they are two words for the same thing. The meaning has changed as the social construct has changed. Doesn’t mean I use them interchangeably because I’m a professional and I know better - but I still believe they are.

 

[Alex337]

Couldn’t tell you, because I’m not that person. I don’t know, because I don’t have that experience. Sociologically, possibly. Physically, not a bit.

I think sex and gender are the same anyway. I was raised that they are two words for the same thing. The meaning has changed as the social construct has changed. Doesn’t mean I use them interchangeably because I’m a professional and I know better - but I still believe they are.

If it helps that happened in a rather famous case after a botched circumcision; the child failed to socialise as a girl and eventually committed suicide.

 

[Pup7]

Which tells me there’s something to nature as well as nurture. In this case, the nurture didn’t work…likely because of the nature. I guess childhood matters, then, and your genetic code can’t be arbitrarily rewritten.

It’s 0251. I’m off to bed.

 

[Alex337]

Which tells me there’s something to nature as well as nurture. In this case, the nurture didn’t work…likely because of the nature. I guess childhood matters, then, and your genetic code can’t be arbitrarily rewritten.

It’s 0251. I’m off to bed.

So those trans kids who likewise go on to commit suicide when their gender identity is ignored could easily be in the same boat.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Depends on the context. I wouldn’t go out of my way to say something that would upset someone. I guess if a trans man asked me out I would turn them down politely and vaguely but if they really pressed me for a reason I might be honest and say I’m only really into dating men.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

I suppose biological female with facial hair would be more accurate but in general I prefer not to go up to people and call them inflammatory names.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Fair enough, I accept using terms like that isn’t helpful

 

[JoyToTheWhirled]

Wowsers. This whole issue is baffling. Women and girls are very specifically defined by their biology. What they can do, and what they cannot do. What they are subjected to due to that biology. The erasure of these specifics to enable a small subset of men to ‘identify’ as the new metaphysical category of ‘woman’ is pure sophistry.
I am very sorry that this small subset of men have their feelings hurt by reality not bending to their worldview, but that’s my female socialization talking, telling me I should be ‘nice’ to people who say they are suffering. I’ve had a lifetime of it, and now I am in my forties am much more inclined to be concerned about the actual, real-life issues facing actual, real life women and girls.

 

[ModernCatholic]

Why are there Catholics who believe that someone with a vagina can be male and someone with a penis can be female. The Catholic Church had been very clear on this. And infact from the beggining of humanity. It doesn’t matter if other civilization had “differeing views of gender” then this one because those were not Jewish nor Christian civilizations. They are irrelevant. Why are there all these complications. If you feel like a girl trapped in a boy’s body then why don’t you pray about it? Make sure you’re listening to God’s voice and not your own. And if you don’t want to go through all of that, the Catholic Church conveniently already has an answer prepared for you–and the answer is that you are whatever gender God chose you to be born with, not what you want to or feel like. Why do we follow our feelings so much? It’s just self control. Like I can feel like I am truly Native American on the inside and I can feel as though I should adopt my identity as the Pope. It doesn’t matter because I am NOT native american nor am I the Pope. Like just say to yourself, I know I was born a guy but I feel like a girl and I can’t figure out why you have done this to me Lord. I wil take up this cross of a lifetime of suffering before me to try to figure out why you, all powerful and mighty God, have chosen to make me male, even though you knew I’d want to be female. I will do whatever it is you want me to do, submit myself to you, and offer it up. I will not choose to start acting like a little God and like I know better than the God who created me in the first place. You didn’t even have to create me but you did and I should be happy I was made to begin with. For the fruits of denial are tasteless but the fruits of acceptance are wisdom, self-control, and love." Surely this person would become a saint but that doesn’t seem to be what’s trending nowadays.
Okay let’s look at it from a different lense. If there were only males then there wouldn’t be anyone thinking they’re female since it doesn’t exist and they don’t know what that would even look like. But because they could experience what the other gender was, they now want to be part of that one instead. If it was really a matter of being born incorrectly then it wouldn’t matter if there were only males but since knowledge of comes before desire to be, transgenders have to choose to associate wih the other gender, no matter what they feel. There’s still always a choice involved.

 

[ModernCatholic]

Gender is at the central part of ones soul, since it is one of the few things God intended to and does have complete control over, even in this fallen world. This is one of the doctrines of the Church meaning it can’t be wrong. So I don’t understand why there are some people advocating for a sort of reform in the Church to include this ideology. If the Church ever did change it’s teaching then that would mean that it’s teachings were never infallible. So it’s like, ‘what even is the point of supporting something anti-catholic and trying to change Church teaching. If it did change it’s teaching then there would be literally no reason to even be part of the Church at all or believe anything it says, since it can’t be trusted,’. If you change religion to suit your preferences then you’re not following God but simply agreeing wih yourself–and isn’t the point of religion to follow God. We conform to God, not God conforms to us. That makes no sense. Just like how instead of using things to love people, we use people to love things.

 

[Alex337]

Wowsers. This whole issue is baffling. Women and girls are very specifically defined by their biology. What they can do, and what they cannot do. What they are subjected to due to that biology. The erasure of these specifics to enable a small subset of men to ‘identify’ as the new metaphysical category of ‘woman’ is pure sophistry.
I am very sorry that this small subset of men have their feelings hurt by reality not bending to their worldview, but that’s my female socialization talking, telling me I should be ‘nice’ to people who say they are suffering. I’ve had a lifetime of it, and now I am in my forties am much more inclined to be concerned about the actual, real-life issues facing actual, real life women and girls.

Hello Joy.

I think it’s important to remember that women experience the world in a grand myriad of ways. There are very few (any?) universal truths when it comes to how your physical sex impacts you.

For instance neither of my grandmothers ever experienced menstruation (my parents were both adopted I should mention) due to cancers they experienced in childhood. This also meant they would never be able to give birth and all that entails. I’ve seen people on this thread list birth and menstruation as key defining moments of womanhood; but frankly that negates all the women who do not experience these things.

 

[Alex337]

Why are there Catholics who believe that someone with a vagina can be male and someone with a penis can be female. The Catholic Church had been very clear on this. And infact from the beggining of humanity. It doesn’t matter if other civilization had “differeing views of gender” then this one because those were not Jewish nor Christian civilizations. They are irrelevant. Why are there all these complications.

I know this has been brought up before and I’m sorry to do so again; but what about intersex people? It is perfectly possible for a woman to have a penis or a man to have a vagina just through nature alone.

If you feel like a girl trapped in a boy’s body then why don’t you pray about it? Make sure you’re listening to God’s voice and not your own. And if you don’t want to go through all of that, the Catholic Church conveniently already has an answer prepared for you–and the answer is that you are whatever gender God chose you to be born with, not what you want to or feel like.

And if praying provides an answer you, the poster, disagree with? One that affirms their chosen gender identity? Also, it is a fact that the body can be imperfect; isn’t it possible in some of these instances God created their mind as one gender but their body was flawed? If not, why not?

Okay let’s look at it from a different lense. If there were only males then there wouldn’t be anyone thinking they’re female since it doesn’t exist and they don’t know what that would even look like. But because they could experience what the other gender was, they now want to be part of that one instead. If it was really a matter of being born incorrectly then it wouldn’t matter if there were only males but since knowledge of comes before desire to be, transgenders have to choose to associate wih the other gender, no matter what they feel. There’s still always a choice involved.

I’m afraid we have no way of knowing they wouldn’t believe they were. Also there are currently people who identify as “non-binary” i.e. - not part of “either” gender. Australia even allows non-binary to be listed as a persons sex on their birth certificate and passport.

 

[Alex337]

Gender is at the central part of ones soul, since it is one of the few things God intended to and does have complete control over, even in this fallen world. This is one of the doctrines of the Church meaning it can’t be wrong.

If it is under God’s complete control and can never go astray how as trans* people even able to exist? How does gender dysphoria exist? Why is gender somehow the one (only??) thing that God has complete control of? (I thought God was omnipotent??)

 

[Pup7]

For instance neither of my grandmothers ever experienced menstruation (my parents were both adopted I should mention) due to cancers they experienced in childhood. This also meant they would never be able to give birth and all that entails. I’ve seen people on this thread list birth and menstruation as key defining moments of womanhood; but frankly that negates all the women who do not experience these things.

Doesn’t matter. I’ve never given birth - but I’ve still lived my whole life as a woman FROM BIRTH.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

For instance neither of my grandmothers ever experienced menstruation (my parents were both adopted I should mention) due to cancers they experienced in childhood. This also meant they would never be able to give birth and all that entails. I’ve seen people on this thread list birth and menstruation as key defining moments of womanhood; but frankly that negates all the women who do not experience these things.

Doesn’t matter. I’ve never given birth - but I’ve still lived my whole life as a woman FROM BIRTH.

Cool. So have the transwomen I know. They’ve just had to deal with being misgendered for a portion of their life.

 

[JoyToTheWhirled]

JoyToTheWhirled:

Wowsers. This whole issue is baffling. Women and girls are very specifically defined by their biology. What they can do, and what they cannot do. What they are subjected to due to that biology. The erasure of these specifics to enable a small subset of men to ‘identify’ as the new metaphysical category of ‘woman’ is pure sophistry.
I am very sorry that this small subset of men have their feelings hurt by reality not bending to their worldview, but that’s my female socialization talking, telling me I should be ‘nice’ to people who say they are suffering. I’ve had a lifetime of it, and now I am in my forties am much more inclined to be concerned about the actual, real-life issues facing actual, real life women and girls.

Hello Joy.

I think it’s important to remember that women experience the world in a grand myriad of ways. There are very few (any?) universal truths when it comes to how your physical sex impacts you.

For instance neither of my grandmothers ever experienced menstruation (my parents were both adopted I should mention) due to cancers they experienced in childhood. This also meant they would never be able to give birth and all that entails. I’ve seen people on this thread list birth and menstruation as key defining moments of womanhood; but frankly that negates all the women who do not experience these things.

No, it doesn’t. And the weirdness of bringing up men who are sad because they are unable to be pregnant as you do in other posts is verging on the shockingly offensive.
Women who do not menstruate are still women. They may well have endured long medical interventions because of their biology. Women who have never been pregnant will often have still been passed over for promotion because of the fact that it is a possibility for them, regardless of whether they wanted children or not.
Men who are sad because they do not have a womb are in no way comparable to a woman who does not have a womb. They are in fact the very definition of appropriation.
The disadvantages that female biology create in our world are very real, and men have zero notion of the impact of them. In fact, the very fact of trans women’s insistence on invading women’s spaces is a perfect illustration of male socialization and entitlement.
My daughters want to be able to undress in a space where male bodies are not present. I will defend that right all day long, regardless of how much a man wants to be validated in his chosen ‘identity’.