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sallybutler
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Trump, like most politicians (Rep, Dem, and/or Ind), believes that abortion is okay in the case of rape, incest, or when the health of the mother is at stake.
Park Police Tear Gas Peaceful Protesters To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op
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OurLadyofSorrows
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He is a supporter of abortion. That then blows that argument people put up to support him, no difference to other politicians
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JButky
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This is where our differences lies. I am not assuming the government has nefarious purposes so much as to protect people and property from the bad apples in the bunch. It only takes a small spark to inflame a powder keg. When that happens it must be stopped. These actions are not against free speech, but those of violence.
But this attitude speaks to your distrust of anything Trump, but at least your post clears up why you think that way…even though I disagree with it.
If it were my protest, I would be petitioning the government to root the bad apples out, and then perhaps schedule another protest with a cooperative effort targeted to stop those interfering. The government was not their enemy in this matter. It was that spark of the small group of instigators. If there is angst to be had, it should be placed on the instigators and not those trying to quash a spark in the middle of a powder keg.
The police were not wrong, and the protestors were not wrong. The bad apples masked hidden within the group are the ones needing to be addressed. And like all terrorists, when they get involved, they like their action to be messy. They don’t care about differentiating between the good and the bad. They just want to see their agenda moved forward and maliciously transform events such as these to foster their own agenda.
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PaulinVA
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Trump’s purpose, which he stated many times, was to “dominate” the protesters. Is that what the individuals on the ground thought? Probably not.
I do distrust everything Trump. But I would not support the things he does if another President did them, either. I was against Obama’s misuse of Esecutive Orders, as I’ve said before.
I think, even though they were “just following orders” , the clearing of Lafayette Square was wrong. If they wan’t to do that, shey should have done it in the morning when few people were there. It was inept.
I agree the violent people hijacked the protests.
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Nepperhan
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The Attorney General of the United States just stated today that pepper spray is not a chemical weapon. I wonder if those who it is used on can appreciate the difference.
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Victoria33
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No it is not.
https://www.newsmax.com/jackbrewer/trump-obama-hbcu-food-stamps/2019/07/12/id/924217/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...1ad4a1-ec6c-4c78-8ef6-ea2ef7f39548_video.html
The White House also sent off an investigation of civil rights violations per Minneapolis right away, one might not have heard about that.
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To me, when cops or military talk about “dominating” the scene or action, they mean controlling what happens, not simply reacting willy-nilly to what others force upon them.
It’s really different when some of the opposing actors are very much attempting to “dominate” the scene in order to loot, burn, kill, etc. If ever an abortion clinic picket turns violent (and I’m not sure if any have) I would expect the police to “dominate” the scene as quickly as possible.
It’s really different when some of the opposing actors are very much attempting to “dominate” the scene in order to loot, burn, kill, etc. If ever an abortion clinic picket turns violent (and I’m not sure if any have) I would expect the police to “dominate” the scene as quickly as possible.
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Ridgerunner
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It’s not a matter of “who”, it’s a matter of “what”. If, as a German in 1938 you knowingly voted for a Jew-killing Nazi, that vote was an act of evil. And so it is today in voting for a pro-abortion candidate. The person isn’t important. You’re voting for evil and bear responsibility for that evil for having done so.
Not at all. Compare a politician who supports the death penalty versus one who supports killing all the Jews. Besides, actions are what count. Trump has not done a single thing that promotes abortion. He has done much in opposition to it. Words are of little consequence. Action is what matters most.
Arguments like “oh, Trump personally does not oppose abortion in cases of rape or incest, so that’s the same as Biden who supports it in every way” are the democrat counsel to moral despair.
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sallybutler
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#1 Trump personally supports abortion in those cases.
#2 We each have to justify to God, not to each other why we vote the way we do.
#3 I was not trying to offend you anymore than you are trying to offend me when you make that suggestion about me based on who you think I voted for.
#4 I’m sorry that I offended you…
#2 We each have to justify to God, not to each other why we vote the way we do.
#3 I was not trying to offend you anymore than you are trying to offend me when you make that suggestion about me based on who you think I voted for.
#4 I’m sorry that I offended you…
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Ridgerunner
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“Supports” is probably too strong a word. “Wouldn’t ban” is probably closer to the rreality. I disagree with him either way, but it’s still far better than a total supporter of abortion, which Biden is.
For sure. I might go to hell for any number of reasons, but voting for the abortion party won’t be among them.
You did not offend me. I did not intend to offend you either, but to entreat you to think about the consequences of what you do politically. There isn’t all that much any of us can do to prevent abortion or, at minimum, to remove our national approval of it like one would remove a cancer.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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off topic
better on a new thread
better on a new thread
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gracepoole
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The president isn’t “cops or military.”
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Ridgerunner
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But does he? You’re assuming a lot here.
But no matter what Trump thinks, what he does is far more important. He has done nothing to promote abortion, but he has certainly done things to curtail it. If you’re prolife, you ought to be grateful for him.
NEVER did I say that. Never.
I do realize Democrats have a lot of ways of justifying a vote for abortion, but accusing me of that is beyond the pale.
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Ridgerunner
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Well, he’s the commander in chief of the military. But lots of people use terms peculiar to other fields. “Straight shooter”, “good soldier”, “cowgirl up”, “goat roper”, “hearsay”, on and on. If Obama had said it, nobody would have criticized it.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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This is going off topic,
It is better on a new thread
It is better on a new thread
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Nepperhan
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But you have no problem calling pro-choice folks ‘pro abortion’.
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JButky
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@PaulinVA And this strategy has worked. The protests are still going on and the riff raff has been “dominated”
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PaulinVA
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Interesting question why the protests have become peaceful. Are the riff raff in jail? I don’t know.
I think of “dominating the space” as flooding the area with troops/police that largely outnumber the protesters and beating/arresting them into submission. I don’t like that idea of riot control.
I think we’ve seen that massive shows of force didn’t cow the demonstrators at all.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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At least 10000 have been arrested.
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PaulinVA
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Inside Bail Funds' 'Nonstop' Efforts to Free the Thousands of Protesters Being Detained Across the U.S.
A coalition of bail funds, lawyers and individual activists are logging long hours to track thousands of arrested protesters
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