pasted on skin tight pants!

[netmilsmom]

I am not a Traditionalists but I can see that any organization has the right to set its own rules and enforce those rules. That’s fair.

If no one comes to my parish and demand that we all wear veils then I can support another Catholic Church’s desire to wear veils and long dresses.

God Bless you!
If we all saw it this way, we could get along.

If one wants to hold hands, sway, sing Christmas caroles in July and mouth the words of the priest, cool just don’t ask me to do it AND make sure I have that Historically Catholic Holy Mass I need.

 

[Ecce_homo_1]

If no one comes to my parish and demand that we all wear veils then I can support another Catholic Church’s desire to wear veils and long dresses.

Not veils but what about hats and stuff? Why do women not wear head coverings be they mantillas or hats? As far as I’ve read there’s been nothing taking away the requirement to do so it just kind of happened one day and no one can explain why or how it happened.

Since I still see women wearing hats occasionally is it still disrepectful for me as a man to wear a hat in Mass? If it is, why so?

 

[deb1]

Not veils but what about hats and stuff? Why do women not wear head coverings be they mantillas or hats? As far as I’ve read there’s been nothing taking away the requirement to do so it just kind of happened one day and no one can explain why or how it happened.

Since I still see women wearing hats occasionally is it still disrepectful for me as a man to wear a hat in Mass? If it is, why so?

That’s the subject for another thread.

By the way, if you are all bored here then go to popular media and respond to my thread about Dakota Fannings.

 

[Ecce_homo_1]

That’s the subject for another thread.

I bet that one reaches 1,000…

 

[Cardinalsong]

I am shocked by the lack of charity envinced by most of the posts on this thread. Not the fact that the OP saw fit to mention this to the lady in question, but the fact that the OP saw fit to tell us all about it.

And the fact people saw fit to apply generalized statements to a specific case!

Yes, people should dress in a respectful manner for Mass. Yes, ladies should avoid wearing trousers which are ludicrously tight if this may cause distraction. Yes, people are perhaps within their rights and even called to mention this to the women in question.

But precisely what is achieved by posting a specific example on this forum and inviting a series of generalized responses? No-one knows the girl in question except the OP, and the OP only knows her in the most cursory and vague way. The OP knows her, simply, as “the girl who wore tight pants to Mass”.

Should she have done that? No. Should the OP have admonished her? Perhaps so.

Should the OP have come here and posted this in a gossiping manner? Absolutely not.

The argument has been made above that the girl might have not had any other clothes, or that she might simply not understand. A joke has been made regarding prostitutes and the fact she might have been just coming in for warmth.

You know what? She came. Sins and tight pants and all - she came. She offered no judgements against anyone, she came to a Mass where she didn’t even speak the language.

What is the story behind that? Do any of you who are so eager to apply generalized stories to this specific girl know that story?

I don’t know the specific circumstances of the girl’s life and I don’t see the need to apply generalized comments like “Oh, loads of people come like that.” I don’t see the need to dwell on this and report this as some gossip.

So a girl turned up in tight pants. You know what? If she had turned up in do-me pumps and a smile and propositioned the Priest it is no-one’s place to post it on a public forum like this!

All that does is encourage people to post generalized and unrelated tales of how people dress at Mass. It does not help the girl, the OP, the Church or any of us.

If the OP saw fit to admonish her, fine - that is her perogative as a Christian. It is also the perogative of a Parish to asign rules for dress code.

But I really don’t think that tale-telling gossip on an internet forum is needed. Does it help? Does it bring anyone closer to God? Or does it just make all these people in veils and dresses say “Me soooo holy!”?

Certainly, tight pants which are likely to distract me and the rest of my gender from the Body of Christ to the body of Christina are not what I would recommend for Mass. And I think abduring her not to wear them is a good idea.

But let’s not post gossip and tale-telling here, shall we?

It’s about time someone spoke up!

 

[deb1]

Exactly what I said before - that to point it out is her concern, to spread it about here is gossip and unworthy.

If the OP had posted the young lady’s name or specifics about her person then I would agree with you. Nothing has been posted that would make it possible to identify the young lady.

But I will admit to being taken aback by some of the posters on both side speaking about prostitutes. There is nothing in the original post to suggest that the young lady was a prostitute and it is disrespectful to speculate on this without further information.

 

[Ecce_homo_1]

If the OP had posted the young lady’s name or specifics about her person then I would agree with you. Nothing has been posted that would make it possible to identify the young lady.

But I will admit to being taken aback by some of the posters on both side speaking about prostitutes. There is nothing in the original post to suggest that the young lady was a prostitute and it is disrespectful to speculate on this without further information.

In all fairness I believe that anyone who said “protistute” clearly said “dressed like a prostitute” because in the OP it was stated the women was wearing “hooker pants” (which are what those pants are actually called).

 

[deb1]

In all fairness I believe that anyone who said “protistute” clearly said “dressed like a prostitute” because in the OP it was stated the women was wearing “hooker pants” (which are what those pants are actually called).

All right, I can understand that.

 

[D.O.M]

I understand the desire and can completely sympathize. However, I think a different approach might have been more beneficial to her soul. If she felt welcome and invited, she might return. If she returns, she’ll hear the Gospel and see it lived. If she takes the Gospel to heart and sees it in action, she will change her attire. It takes a lot longer, but the end result is so much better.

Instead, you’ve pretty much assured that she won’t return dressed like that, or at all. You’ve protected your children, but you haven’t reached her.

Reminds me of a song my sister loves to sing.
youtube.com/watch?v=mkEteZ2OA28

I watched this video and was very moved, it brought me to tears. I have just stumbled on this thread, but I think you have the right idea.

 

[KathleenElsie]

This thread kind proves why Protestantism stills exists and thrives. The more modern Protestant and non-denominational churches don’t give a rat about what you wear to church, they are just super excited that people are there. It’s the sick that need the doctor, not the healthy. In fact, one of the local Protestant churches around here goes and recruits prostitutes, drug addicts, etc…to get them to hear the Gospel. I assure you they don’t have veils and skirts, but probably skin tight pants they got from the dollar store. Did Jesus go and talk to the well-dressed Pharisees or did he go talk to what the world considered scum?

Secondly, God doesn’t give two poops if you’re wearing a skirt or skin tight pants, he cares about your underlying intentions and soul. If this woman was wearing tight pants to be sexual or to attract men, then God disproves, if the woman had no other clothes or didn’t understand, then God have mercy on her.

I have the unfortunate experience IMHO of seeing that the Protestants in my area dress more respectfully then the Catholics I see in the parking lots. People dress like they are on the way to the beach, or play ground and not for being in the presence of Our Lord and God.

Now some of the new wave churches tend to be more liberal in dress and behavior. But, main line Protestants are respectful of how they dress for church.

 

[KathleenElsie]

In all fairness I believe that anyone who said “protistute” clearly said “dressed like a prostitute” because in the OP it was stated the women was wearing “hooker pants” (which are what those pants are actually called).

There is even a line of clothing called “HOOKER”. I guess it is something to be proud of?

 

[deb1]

I have the unfortunate experience IMHO of seeing that the Protestants in my area dress more respectfully then the Catholics I see in the parking lots. People dress like they are on the way to the beach, or play ground and not for being in the presence of Our Lord and God.

Now some of the new wave churches tend to be more liberal in dress and behavior. But, main line Protestants are respectful of how they dress for church.

Yes. And somehow, I don’t know how, the Protestant churches that I attended were able to relay to the members what proper dress was.

I was told, while I was Baptist, that although God sees your heart, your outside does an affect on your attitude. Plus it was really pushed that we had to be a witness to others and dressing up was part of being a witness. I was also told that the time in church was sacred and that my outwear reflected this sacredness.

If someone needed clothing then someone in the church would assist them.

How this attitude toward attire was transmitted without offense to the congregation, I don’t know.

 

[CuriousInIL]

The facts:

1 Your particular church has the right, just like any organization to set a dress code.

2 Your particular church has the right to enforce said code.

…Let me say that I go to a church without a dress code and am perfectly happy doing so. But I respect another church’s right to set up such a dress code

Perhaps some people simply assume that the existence of a church with a more stringent dress code threatens their right to dress as they please. I didn’t see it implied anywhere that my church needs to set up a dress code but there might be some who just really dislike the whole idea of a dress code.

I am not a Traditionalists but I can see that any organization has the right to set its own rules and enforce those rules. That’s fair.

If no one comes to my parish and demand that we all wear veils then I can support another Catholic Church’s desire to wear veils and long dresses.

I have observed but not posted in this thread for over 500 posts, but I want to jump in now to say that I completely disagree with the above posts to the extent that “particular church” and/or “organization” as Deb is using them apply to an individual parish.

Yes, particular churches and organizations can have rules including dress codes; but to my way of thinking, the organization at issue is the Catholic Church, not individual parishes. I believe that such policy should be set at the international or national level (e.g. USCCB), or at a very minimum the diocese level. If each individual parish can set its own rules, we will be in a much worse situation than we already are regarding the worldwide unity of the Catholic Church.

Just my particular rant for what it is worth.

 

[deb1]

I watched this video and was very moved, it brought me to tears. I have just stumbled on this thread, but I think you have the right idea.

I looked up the lyrics to the song and I don’t see how this applies to the situation. No one is judging the lady in question’s heart or being mean to her. She was only asked to conform to a dress code.

Why are so many making such a strange leap in logic?

 

[historyb]

I believe that such policy should be set at the international or national level (e.g. USCCB), or at a very minimum the diocese level.

I’m not sure the SSPX has dealings with the USCCB could be wrong though

 

[fix]

Why are so many making such a strange leap in logic?

Good question. I think partly because we have a mistaken notion of charity. It is not enough to give advice and correction in a gently and kindly manner. What seems to matter is how it is received.

This matter is a prudential judgment on a concrete situation. I cannot understand how there is only one right answer. By that I mean I cannot see how it would always be wrong in every case to have one female speak to another female and give some kind advice about dress codes.

We seem to have lost the notion of helping our neighbor.

 

[teachccd]

HARK!!! The dead horse has risen and seems to be immortal!!

 

[deb1]

I have observed but not posted in this thread for over 500 posts, but I want to jump in now to say that I completely disagree with the above posts to the extent that “particular church” and/or “organization” as Deb is using them apply to an individual parish.

Yes, particular churches and organizations can have rules including dress codes; but to my way of thinking, the organization at issue is the Catholic Church, not individual parishes. I believe that such policy should be set at the international or national level (e.g. USCCB), or at a very minimum the diocese level. If each individual parish can set its own rules, we will be in a much worse situation than we already are regarding the worldwide unity of the Catholic Church.

Just my particular rant for what it is worth.

ANd what would that dress code be? No dress code? Strict dress code?

I think that individual parish’s are set up now to give individuals choice but I have no idea how this would apply to a national level, or international level. If this thread could cause such contention among people that are normally polite to one another can you imagine the problems any definite guidelines would cause?

Until this comes about(who knows maybe it will) we just have to respect one another’s parish’s rules.

It would be interesting to start a thread discussing what such definite rules would be, but then again we would all probably just get angry with one another.

 

[Marilena]

HARK!!! The dead horse has risen and seems to be immortal!!

yup

 

[deb1]

HARK!!! The dead horse has risen and seems to be immortal!!

My whole family is sick with severe colds and the flu so I have to much time on my hands. You all probably won’t hear from me once my kids are well.