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maurin said:
Actually if you go back up and read what you wrote you said that This is that about which we have been politely speaking.
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Fair enough. My wording was incorrect. I had meant to say that you thought it was never prudent to speak directly to the woman. I hope I characterized your position rightly this time. I just disagree.
I absolutely agree with your contention about heat generated because of deeper concerns about bigger and deeper issues.
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Indeed. I am surprised when folks are surprised at how long this thread is. I find it typical and revealing.
 
fix said:
Fair enough. My wording was incorrect. I had meant to say that you thought it was never prudent to speak directly to the woman. I hope I characterized your position rightly this time. I just disagree.

Indeed. I am surprised when folks are surprised at how long this thread is. I find it typical and revealing.
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Then we agree to disagree 🙂 Thank you for being a gentleman. It is a pleasure to speak with you, when we agree and when we disagree!

your brother in Jesus’ Sacred Heart,

maurin
 
I really think it should hit 500 posts first.

This thread should be renamed modernists and Traditionalists death match, because that’s what it is really about.
 
i think it is more about concern for the girl being at Mass, and the fact that i told her on my own accord about the dress code.
alot are under the opinion that it should not matter what she wore, that the fact was, at least she was at Mass. While iam delighted that she was at Mass, it just struck me on an emotional level because i felt how it could dishonor and displease our Lord.

Perhaps i was out of line for talking to her on my own intiative, but it was a purely emotional reaction because it felt horrible to see someone who would dishonor our Lord. still, i was not rude to her, and did not publicly embarass her.

oh and for the record, if i see her wearing those types of pants again, or anyone else for that matter, i will talk to the priest and not take it upon myself to go directly to the person. in that respect, i have come to realize that perhaps some of the posters were correct. i should have went to Father first, and not done it on my own, no matter how good my intent was.
 
Marilena said:
i think it is more about concern for the girl being at Mass, and the fact that i told her on my own accord about the dress code.
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With all due respect Marilena if that’s all this topic was about it would’ve sunk to page two after ten posts…
 
Ecce_homo said:
With all due respect Marilena if that’s all this topic was about it would’ve sunk to page two after ten posts…
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then tell me, because iam obviously missing something. what was the real point then?
 
Marilena said:
then tell me, because iam obviously missing something. what was the real point then?
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It’s about people’s imaginary rights being violated when they find out that someone has been reprimanded for not following suit. In today’s world, rights are everything, and they are given more credence that salvation.
 
What I see—is that some embrace the downward spiral the Church is in. We are loosing the Sense of the Sacred—and some people don’t want it back.

vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20050707_instrlabor-xi-assembly_en.html

The Sense of the Sacred in the Eucharist

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Nevertheless, responses coming from various countries note some deficiencies and shadows in the celebration of the Eucharist on the part of both the clergy and the faithful, which seem to have their origin in a weakened sense of the sacred in the Sacrament. Safeguarding the Sacrament’s sacred character basically depends on being aware that the Eucharist is a mystery and gift, whose remembrance requires signs and words corresponding to its nature as a sacrament.

Certain actions which challenge a sense of the sacred, often mentioned in the Lineamenta responses, can be of assistance in treating the subject, for example, a neglect by the celebrant and the ministers to use proper liturgical vestments and the participants’ lack of befitting dress for Mass; the use of profane music in Church; the tacit consent to eliminate certain liturgical gestures thought to be too traditional, such as genuflexion before the Blessed Sacrament; an inadequate catechesis for Communion in the hand and its improper distribution; a lack of reverence before, during and after the celebration of Holy Mass, not only by the laity but also the celebrant; the scant architectural and artistic quality of sacred buildings and sacred vessels; and instances of syncretism in integrating elements from other religions in the inculturation of liturgical forms.

All these negative realities, occurring more often in the Latin Liturgy than the Liturgies of the Eastern Churches, should not lead to great alarm, since they seem to be limited. Nevertheless, they ought to spur serious reflection on how to eliminate them and to ensure that the Eucharistic liturgies are places of praise, prayer, communion, listening, silence and adoration, out of deep reverence for the mystery of God, who is revealed in Christ under the elements of bread and wine, and out of the utter joy of feeling oneself a member of a community of the faithful reconciled with God the Father through the grace of the Holy Spirit. The Eucharist is the most sacred and highest form of prayer. It is the Great Prayer.
 
Ecce_homo said:
I really think it should hit 500 posts first.

This thread should be renamed modernists and Traditionalists death match, because that’s what it is really about.
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No, I do not share your assessment about what the thread should be named, although I do agree with your and Stu’s assessments that there are much deeper issues being debated. Only we don’t seem to be able to name those issues outright.

I have, over the last 2 years, come to share the Traditionalists concerns with the irreverence shown at many many NO masses. I have come to the decision that I will, at every opportunity, make the drive to a different town in order to begin to mine the riches and treasures of the Traditional Latin Mass.

And I am actually quite excited about it. More excited about it than when I first came back to the Church almost 10 years ago, because I now understand more and more the Mass, my relationship with God and His Son and Spirit, as well as with His people. I am very excited about relearning how to worship Him the way one poster described as “the Mass my ancestors fought and died for.”

Marilena,

your humility in your last post above is very touching, and I am grateful that you do not fear exposing it. A fine lesson for me to learn. Thank you.
 
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Walking_Home said:
What I see—is that some embrace the downward spiral the Church is in. We are loosing the Sense of the Sacred—and some people don’t want it back.

vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20050707_instrlabor-xi-assembly_en.html

The Sense of the Sacred in the Eucharist

34…

Nevertheless, responses coming from various countries note some deficiencies and shadows in the celebration of the Eucharist on the part of both the clergy and the faithful, which seem to have their origin in a weakened sense of the sacred in the Sacrament. Safeguarding the Sacrament’s sacred character basically depends on being aware that the Eucharist is a mystery and gift, whose remembrance requires signs and words corresponding to its nature as a sacrament.

Certain actions which challenge a sense of the sacred, often mentioned in the Lineamenta responses, can be of assistance in treating the subject, for example, a neglect by the celebrant and the ministers to use proper liturgical vestments and the participants’ lack of befitting dress for Mass; the use of profane music in Church; the tacit consent to eliminate certain liturgical gestures thought to be too traditional, such as genuflexion before the Blessed Sacrament; an inadequate catechesis for Communion in the hand and its improper distribution; a lack of reverence before, during and after the celebration of Holy Mass, not only by the laity but also the celebrant; the scant architectural and artistic quality of sacred buildings and sacred vessels; and instances of syncretism in integrating elements from other religions in the inculturation of liturgical forms.

All these negative realities, occurring more often in the Latin Liturgy than the Liturgies of the Eastern Churches, should not lead to great alarm, since they seem to be limited. Nevertheless, they ought to spur serious reflection on how to eliminate them and to ensure that the Eucharistic liturgies are places of praise, prayer, communion, listening, silence and adoration, out of deep reverence for the mystery of God, who is revealed in Christ under the elements of bread and wine, and out of the utter joy of feeling oneself a member of a community of the faithful reconciled with God the Father through the grace of the Holy Spirit. The Eucharist is the most sacred and highest form of prayer. It is the Great Prayer.
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paramedicgirl said:
It’s about people’s imaginary rights being violated when they find out that someone has been reprimanded for not following suit. In today’s world, rights are everything, and they are given more credence that salvation.
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oh…DUH!!! am i stupid or something? like i don’t get it?
:confused: i guess it takes your big sister to point it out to you. i feel really stupid because i missed the point. DUHHHHHHH!!! :banghead:
 
paramedicgirl said:
It’s about people’s imaginary rights being violated when they find out that someone has been reprimanded for not following suit. In today’s world, rights are everything, and they are given more credence that salvation.
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[SIGN]Amen[/SIGN]
 
Some posters are indeed concerned with the lady’s spiritual walk with God and that is wonderful. Although the only argument that I have heard that contradicts what you did was that the young lady might not have had more clothing. In which case her male escort should have explained that to the priest.

Others though are personalizing the issue to the point that they are no longer paying attention to the actual facts.

The facts:

1 Your particular church has the right, just like any organization to set a dress code.

2 Your particular church has the right to enforce said code.

3 The young lady broke the code

4 she was not escorted out of the church but continued with the service

5after the service, she was approached by another female and had the dress code explained to her.

Let me say that I go to a church without a dress code and am perfectly happy doing so. But I respect another church’s right to set up such a dress code

Perhaps some here have had negative experiences with people who have tried to enforce more conservative rules on them. Or they have run across hypocrites who judged them by their outer appearance and not inner workings. This might lead the poster to falsely jump to the conclusion that whenever anyone tries to suggest that we follow an organization’s particular rules that a judgemental attitude is being displayed.

Or

Perhaps some people simply assume that the existence of a church with a more stringent dress code threatens their right to dress as they please. I didn’t see it implied anywhere that my church needs to set up a dress code but there might be some who just really dislike the whole idea of a dress code.

Any of these reasons could lead a person to accidentally not pay attention to the simple facts but to read the original post through their own biases.
 
well, i never thought of any of that. DUH! but as i said in an earlier post today, i wont be approaching anyone again after Mass with the dress code issue. i will go directly to father.
 
Ecce_homo said:
I really think it should hit 500 posts first.

This thread should be renamed modernists and Traditionalists death match, because that’s what it is really about.
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I am not a Traditionalists but I can see that any organization has the right to set its own rules and enforce those rules. That’s fair.

If no one comes to my parish and demand that we all wear veils then I can support another Catholic Church’s desire to wear veils and long dresses.
 
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