Pastor buys AR-15 at raffle so he could destroy it

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ARSpade said:
Nope.

ceasefireoregon.org/bills/oregon-firearms-safety-act/#require

Also, we’re not concerned with ownership, we’re concerned with possession. Almost all gun laws refer to “possession”.

If the guy wanted to follow the law, all he had to do was go to an FFL and pay like $20. And the anti-gunners have always said it isn’t hard or much of a burden.
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I see plenty of outs for the pastor there. He never said who he transferred the AR to. If they were immediate family he has no problem. He could also claim it was transferred temporarily for self-defense, hunting, or target-shooting. The self-defense angle could be really interesting should he choose to pursue that.
 
zz912 said:
Were you unaware that the KKK was the military arm of the Democratic Party?
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They really don’t teach history any more. It’s a shame, but not a surprise, since the Teacher’s unions are pretty much arms of the Democrat Party too.
 
ucfengr said:
I hope he goes to jail. He needs to experience the full effect of the laws he supports.
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Agree.

There is a quote to the effect of “The best way to get rid of bad laws is to enforce them vigorously”. I think this needs to happen in this case for anti-gunners to see the effect of their ill conceived laws.
 
lmachine said:
I misread whatever number you stated, I apologize.

Part of a religious leader’s job is leading by example. Destroying one rifle may not affect the gun murder rate in this country but it is meaningful because it’s the example we should all follow.
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Agreed.
 
ucfengr said:
They really don’t teach history any more. It’s a shame, but not a surprise, since the Teacher’s unions are pretty much arms of the Democrat Party too.
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Well considering the two parties have flip flopped positions socially during the 20th century it doesn’t surprise. The Democratic Party of today would not be one the KKK of 150 years ago (or even 60 years ago) would support. Anyone implying the KKK is still the “militant arm” of the Democratic Party is conveying a fantasy.
 
exnihilo said:
I agree. Almost all gun laws are clearly violations of the second amendment. I also think the pastor should spend time in jail. I think so because supporters of guns laws need to learn the reality of the world they have created. Their opinions seem to be based on a lack of knowledge. The laws they support chiefly impact ordinary folks who never commit a real crime but run afoul of an onerous gun law.
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Was the crime “not knowing the reality of the world they created” or was it illegally transferring a firearm? You are looking for vengeance because this man disagrees with a political opinion that you hold dear. You don’t even agree with the law but you want this man to be charged with breaking it as a punishment for being in favor of gun control. That is not how criminal justice works. If you really disagreed with this law you wouldn’t want him charged with it and would use it as an example as to why the law is ridiculous.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well considering the two parties have flip flopped positions socially during the 20th century it doesn’t surprise. The Democratic Party of today would not be one the KKK of 150 years ago (or even 60 years ago) would support. Anyone implying the KKK is still the “militant arm” of the Democratic Party is conveying a fantasy.
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Let’s see…Democrats support abortion on demand and as a result nearly 70% of African American children are slaughtered in the womb and Democrats run the big cities, which are largely African American, and where the schools have trouble teaching students to read the diplomas they’re awarded. And hey, wasn’t it Democrat, Bill Clinton who signed the law putting harsher penalties on crack cocaine (largely used by poor blacks) than on powder (used by rich whites)? Tell me again how Republicans are the party of the Klan…
 
ucfengr said:
They really don’t teach history any more. It’s a shame, but not a surprise, since the Teacher’s unions are pretty much arms of the Democrat Party too.
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They apparently don’t teach current events either. How many current Democrats in office are members of the KKK?
 
J_Peterson said:
They apparently don’t teach current events either. How many current Democrats in office are members of the KKK?
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And what percentage of AR15s will every kill someone? Oh, wait, facts are immaterial if they don’t support the story you are trying to tell.
 
J_Peterson said:
They apparently don’t teach current events either. How many current Democrats in office are members of the KKK?
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Considering that there are literally thousands of Democrats in elective office, there’s probably more than a few. The last Klan member to serve in the US Senate was a life long Democrat. Given the current status of Black America and that it is largely run by Democrats, I wonder how things would be substantively different if Democrats were open members of the Klan.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
The primary purpose of a knife is to kill.

Cutting the food only comes after the food is dead.

You can claim that that’s not how knives are used in America and other developed nations, but that is their purpose.

You’re right, guns kill, that is their purpose. That doesn’t make them inherently evil though. Bows and arrows kill, knives kill, spear kills, swords kill, rocks kill, rope kills, water kills, animals kill, sicknesses kill, nature kills. None of these these is inherently evil or immoral, nor are guns inherently immoral. A gun used properly is just as capable of defending as it is as killing.

You cannot assign blame or the claim of immorality to something just because some people chose to use it for an evil end.

As for the rest of the western world being baffled, that’s nice. They can be baffle, or offended, or surprised, or whatever else they want to be. That doesn’t make them right any more than our belief that guns right are important makes us right. It’s not strictly a moral issue, and therefore has no absolute state of morality or immorality (rightness or wrongness). Guns used properly are moral, guns used improperly are immoral.
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The primary purpose of a knife is not to kill. I’ve been using them my whole life and I’ve never killed anything, nor do I know anyone that has killed with a knife. Obviously, I don’t care how they were used in the past as we do not live in the past.

The second amendment, on the other hand, was written a long time ago. It made sense that people would have been armed. Nowadays, since you aren’t all about to join the Militia any time ever, you should consider another amendment that brings it more in line with modern times.

The problem with guns is not that they are objectively evil - it’s that they are dangerous and serve no purpose other than to kill, barring hunting and target competition. I’m not against strictly regulated hunting rifles or shooting ranges, because those are valid uses of guns.

The problem with the argument of self defence is that you can compare the USA to other countries and see that the lax gun laws lead to far more deaths than other Western countries. Criminals in other Western countries still manage to get their hands on guns (but it is much harder) and death rates are still lower even though the innocent people can’t defend themselves. So America as a whole would be better served by stricter gun laws. For example, we all have to go through security checks at airports. You could argue that it isn’t fair for innocent people to have to go through that hassle. But it benefits society as a whole.

Another example is suicide. If guns were less common, there would be less deaths by suicide. Often, the decision to actually go through with committing suicide is made suddenly. There is no coming back from a headshot. You might have a chance at being saved if you take pills and then second guess yourself or someone finds you.
 
Ojo_Feliz said:
Oh, but they do. And they also teach critical thinking, which is where your argument fails.
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If they taught critical thinking, you would be able to look at the state of Black America and who currently runs it and realize that the only meaningful difference between modern Democrats and their predecessors is a better PR machine. Democrats have been running large cities like Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, Washington DC, etc for more then half a century. How have black lives been made meaningfully better? The Democrat legacy for African Americans has been failing schools and crime ridden, and drug infested neighborhoods. For Democrats, Black Lives Matter only on election day.
 
J_Peterson said:
They apparently don’t teach current events either. How many current Democrats in office are members of the KKK?
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Were you unaware that the mentor of Bill Clinton was J. William Fulbright? Or that the most recent KKK-Democrat only died in 2010?
 
J_Peterson said:
If you really disagreed with this law you wouldn’t want him charged with it and would use it as an example as to why the law is ridiculous.
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I disagree with the law and I want him charged. I think that is the best way to open peoples eyes to what the law actually accomplishes. Nobody will think it is a ridiculous law if it is selectively enforced only on “bad guys”. Without him being charged there is no example to point to.
 
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