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PJD1987
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Luigi_Daniele
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As opposed to OB ticket, which is in favor of allowing the killing of an innocent child in any case, whatsoever.So they are in favor of allowing the killing an innocent child in the case of rape?
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PJD1987
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No…read the comments that address this!!! Don’t just repeat your talking points. Your claim has already been addressed…enough already.So they are in favor of allowing the killing an innocent child in the case of rape?
“A Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.”
according to Romney campaign spokesperson Amanda Henneberg
thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12538-romney-ryan-campaign-okay-with-abortion-in-rape-cases
It seems like the RR team is supporting something which is intrinsically evil?
God bless.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Probably thousands, unless RR can overturn Roe v Wade.millions*
meltzerboy
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Was I defending Obamacare in my current post, or even in other posts? I think there is a provision for veterans, by the way, but I don’t have the information handy. That was not my point, however. I was questioning the “fluff” comment of Paul’s. Whichever political position one might take, I would not categorize the matter of people’s suffering and dying due to a lack of health care or fighting in a war as fluff.Unemployment does not trump human life, especially for those receiving benefits. And how does Obamacare give veterans better healthcare? Please post where in the Obamacare bill it says that? Our troops are not fighting for a socialist government.
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estesbob
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In such a case the Church allows us to vote for the candidate who is the least pro-abortion. As Archbishop Chaput put it such a vote is not a vote for the lesser of two evils, it is a vote to lessen evil.So they are in favor of allowing the killing an innocent child in the case of rape?
“A Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.”
according to Romney campaign spokesperson Amanda Henneberg
thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12538-romney-ryan-campaign-okay-with-abortion-in-rape-cases
It seems like the RR team is supporting something which is intrinsically evil?
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JoeBowen7
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But it is not a matter of two choices and the lesser of two evils. Both OB and RR support intrinsic evil. But there are third party candidates who do not. For example, I think that Virgil Goode of the Constitution party opposes abortion in all cases, unlike the RR team.In such a case the Church allows us to vote for the candidate who is the least pro-abortion. As Archbishop Chaput put it such a vote is not a vote for the lesser of two evils, it is a vote to lessen evil.
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Luigi_Daniele
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A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama. See Perot, RossBut it is not a matter of two choices and the lesser of two evils. Both OB and RR support intrinsic evil. But there are third party candidates who do not. For example, I think that Virgil Goode of the Constitution party opposes abortion in all cases, unlike the RR team.
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oldcelt
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A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama. See Perot, Ross
See Nader, Ralph…2000 election
See Nader, Ralph…2000 election
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JoeBowen7
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If everyone who opposed abortion voted for Virgil Goode, we could get rid of this scourge of abortion. A vote for RR will not do it.A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama. See Perot, Ross
People said Harry Truman could not win, and yet it happened.
meltzerboy
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Isn’t Paul Ryan, who I believe co-sponsored or at least supported the personhood bill which did not pass in Mississippi, against all abortions? He is, I think, compromising his own views (and the Church’s) to support Romney as his running mate. I don’t blame Ryan for doing this–after all, we’re talking politics–but what do others think about it?But it is not a matter of two choices and the lesser of two evils. Both OB and RR support intrinsic evil. But there are third party candidates who do not. For example, I think that Virgil Goode of the Constitution party opposes abortion in all cases, unlike the RR team.
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JoeBowen7
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This is what I thought, but according to the link I gave in post 99, Amanda Henneberg says differently?Isn’t Paul Ryan, who I believe co-sponsored or at least supported the personhood bill which did not pass in Mississippi, against all abortions? He is, I think, compromising his own views (and the Church’s) to support Romney as his running mate. I don’t blame Ryan for doing this but what do others think about it?
meltzerboy
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I read the link, but don’t you think it refers more to Romney’s views and the RR ticket rather than Ryan’s personal views on abortion? That’s my take.This is what I thought, but according to the link I gave in post 99, Amanda Henneberg says differently?
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Luigi_Daniele
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Apples and Oranges.If everyone who opposed abortion voted for Virgil Goode, we could get rid of this scourge of abortion. A vote for RR will not do it.
People said Harry Truman could not win, and yet it happened.
The highest percentage in recent times garnered by a third party was the aforementioned Perot.
Even Teddy Roosevelt couldn’t win as a third party candidate.
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estesbob
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I posted the achurch teaching on this. You are welcome to throw your vote away. I am not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the possible.But it is not a matter of two choices and the lesser of two evils. Both OB and RR support intrinsic evil. But there are third party candidates who do not. For example, I think that Virgil Goode of the Constitution party opposes abortion in all cases, unlike the RR team.
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markeverett49
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I thought it interesting that the Romney / Ryan campaign’s response to Akin’s remarks about rape and pregnancy was that their administration would not oppose abortion in those cases. That’s not the same thing as endorsing it. I think abortion is wrong in that case too, but I also realize that if they say that, we put Planned Parenthood’s guy back in the White House for four more years. I don’t see how that helps.
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LisaA
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Meltzerboy, where did this come from? The Obama campaign is trying desperately to avoid the subject of his abject failures so many of his pet projects that he’s trying to focus the campaign on fluff…Romney’s tax returns, offshore accounts, he even brought up the dog on the car again!“Everything else is fluff.” Do you really think so? For people out of work or who are underemployed and cannot support themselves and their families, those who have lost their homes, who don’t have health care and are ill, who have loved ones fighting in Afghanistan or soldiers who have returned home from combat physically maimed or psychologically damaged, this is all fluff in your view?
Now if Obama WERE speaking about significant issues such as the increasing debacle in Afghanistan or treatment of returning troops you might have a point. He’s not. When was the last time he even MENTIONED Afghanistan? We’ve had a rash of terrible betrayals by Afghani police and military. Not a peep from the White House. What’s he said about supporting returning soldiers?
Let’s see the last interviews he did he was asked about what was on his iPod, what kind of chili he likes, what superpower would he like to have…I’d call that FLUFF wouldn’t you?
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LisaA
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He wasn’t a third party candidate. A vote for the “Constipation” party will be a vote FOR Obama. If you are Catholic, it’s not a possiblity.If everyone who opposed abortion voted for Virgil Goode, we could get rid of this scourge of abortion. A vote for RR will not do it.
People said Harry Truman could not win, and yet it happened.
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Tampa_Dave
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Vote Romney-Ryan and send Obama back to Chicago with Reverend Wright and Father Flagler.
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