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Yes. I did read that. I guess the remark about allowing abortion in the case of rape (or incest) will be clarified in the next few days. Perhaps I jumped the gun and the remark was unauthorised. But it did appear in the news.
Still, I don;t see where people are so opposed to third party candidates. The Democrats and Republicans have had a monopoly on American politics for too long and it is time to get some new ideas going. Bush ran up huge deficits and it seems like these two parties are getting America involved in too many wars. I like Ron Paul’s ideas on foreign policy.
 
Yes. I did read that. I guess the remark about allowing abortion in the case of rape (or incest) will be clarified in the next few days. Perhaps I jumped the gun and the remark was unauthorised. But it did appear in the news.
Still, I don;t see where people are so opposed to third party candidates. The Democrats and Republicans have had a monopoly on American politics for too long and it is time to get some new ideas going. Bush ran up huge deficits and it seems like these two parties are getting America involved in too many wars. I like Ron Paul’s ideas on foreign policy.
We’ve tried sticking are head in the sand before. Result: WWI and WWII
 
Yes. I did read that. I guess the remark about allowing abortion in the case of rape (or incest) will be clarified in the next few days. Perhaps I jumped the gun and the remark was unauthorised. But it did appear in the news.
Still, I don;t see where people are so opposed to third party candidates. The Democrats and Republicans have had a monopoly on American politics for too long and it is time to get some new ideas going. Bush ran up huge deficits and it seems like these two parties are getting America involved in too many wars. I like Ron Paul’s ideas on foreign policy.
Ron Paul ran for President as a Republican.

The Republican Platform on life issues has not changed since 2004. The headline inferred this was a new idea. It was not.

People are opposed to third and fourth and fifth parties because at best they cannot win and at worst they damage the chances of legitimate candidates. In my state we had an outstanding candidate for Governor. He lost by a squeaker and it was attributable to a selfish idiot who decided his ego and his “purity” on some issue was more important than getting a re-run of a previous governor who was pro abortion, high taxes and government solutions (?) to any problems.

Lisa
 
He ran and lost. That’s why I did not suggest him as a viable alternative to RR, since I am not sure if he is running or not.
He ran and lost. So why are you 'not sure if he is running." I don’t think he’s going to jump in with a last minute third party bid.

How about supporting our actual candidates? Why are you looking for an alternative?

Lisa
 
Why should I or anyone else care about his net worth?
You’re right. it his character I am concerned with. he seems very shady and like a puppet of a higher power. who is that higher power he is beholden to is my true concern.
 
He ran and lost. So why are you 'not sure if he is running."
You are right. However, at one time, he indicated he might head a third party movement. And some people say they will write his name in on the ballot.
 
While you’re at it, could you check how many years worth of college transcripts that he’s released? Thanks:)
Yes President Transparancy has apparently spent a small fortune preventing college transcripts from Occidental or Harvard Law or his various writings/thesis etc from seeing the light of day. He has blocked with and Executive Order the release of Fast & Furious documents.

When he said "as President your life is an open book’ it was a howler…but when has Obama considered holding the same standard for himself as for other?

Lisa
 
You are right. However, at one time, he indicated he might head a third party movement. And some people say they will write his name in on the ballot.
And they will be throwing away their votes. It is sad that some people think so little of this incredible privilege. Men have died to protect this right…but hey if Mickey Mouse is your man, it’s your right to vote for him.

Lisa
 
You’re right. it his character I am concerned with. he seems very shady and like a puppet of a higher power. who is that higher power he is beholden to is my true concern.
Yes, a Mormon bishop, upstanding man of God, devoted husband and father and grandfather, savior of the Olympics, and successful businessman sounds pretty shady to me. Trust me with the billions behind Obama, if this man were not squeaky clean, the Dems would have dug up some dirt on him.

Tell me you think Obama is even a fraction of Mitt Romney as to character, decency, integrity and ability?

Oh and in case this is an issue, I suspect he’s not running for President for the money.

Lisa
 
And they will be throwing away their votes. It is sad that some people think so little of this incredible privilege. Men have died to protect this right…but hey if Mickey Mouse is your man, it’s your right to vote for him.

Lisa
Not voting against Obama in an effective way is endorsing 1,000,000 deaths per year. It just astonishes me that anyone would want that on his conscience, and for little as to be able to smugly announce that he’s “above the fray”.
 
Yes, a Mormon bishop, upstanding man of God, devoted husband and father and grandfather, savior of the Olympics, and successful businessman sounds pretty shady to me.
His record with Romney care is not as morally clean with respect to Catholic principles rejecting abortion as one might think. Romney care now supports free abortions (without any copay), although at first there was a copay of $50.
renewamerica.com/columns/contrada/120308
 
Yes, a Mormon bishop, upstanding man of God, devoted husband and father and grandfather, savior of the Olympics, and successful businessman sounds pretty shady to me. Trust me with the billions behind Obama, if this man were not squeaky clean, the Dems would have dug up some dirt on him.

Tell me you think Obama is even a fraction of Mitt Romney as to character, decency, integrity and ability?

Oh and in case this is an issue, I suspect he’s not running for President for the money.

Lisa
I have stated many times…I will not be supporting either candidate. I am not concerned with trying to convince this crowd against Obama. My focus is on RR which is what this thread is about. Something very concerning about your statement. “A Mormon bishop, upstanding man of god.”. Notice anything different between my quote and yours?
 
I have stated many times…I will not be supporting either candidate. I am not concerned with trying to convince this crowd against Obama. My focus is on RR which is what this thread is about. Something very concerning about your statement. “A Mormon bishop, upstanding man of god.”. Notice anything different between my quote and yours?
You have previously expressed a prejudice against Mormons. It’s not something I would find a source of pride but to each his own.

Lisa
 
Key word (wrong word ;)) = “interference”

Meltzerboy, if committed black Baptists (+other Protestants), + Catholics + Jews, had not “interfered” with existing Southern culture back in the 1960’s, the Civil Rights movement as we know it would not have occurred. It was, in large respect, a religiously driven movement, aided by (to Lisa’s point) moral atheists and agnositcs (to a much lesser extent).

A good Jew reconciles his moral conscience with his voting decisions, no? (In my experience, yes.) In fact, of all the people I know, including Catholics, Jews are much more likely to actually agonize over voting decisions than any other single group.

Again, tangentially to Lisa’s point, I see much of the late 20-th and early 21st-century Jewish activism in politics to be post-Shoah consciousness. It is very important to every practicing Jew I personally know (and I know a lot of them ;)) not to be silent on civic issues which have moral import. It doesn’t matter how much a minority Jews are in the population, it is Standing for something that is the issue. (Christians call it Witness. :))

You can look upon it as “recommending.” Or you can look upon it as saying, “Here is what I stand for, because this is how my faith informs my conscience on this issue.” You could not say just that, speaking to a Jewish family who seemed racked by indecision?
Elizabeth, I am not silent on moral issues. As I’ve indicated, I protest any and all religious restrictions. With regard to abortion, however, for me, individuals’ and family’s personal religious and secular moral values must be respected: that is the morality of this situation as I see it. I choose not to impose my own moral and religious values on others in situations that are not as clear-cut as you may believe. For example, in Orthodox Judaism, abortions are permitted in cases of rape and incest, as well as when the mother’s life is in danger. The latter reasoning is explained in detail in the Talmud. The psychological harm done to a woman who might be forced to carry an unborn baby to term who is the product of rape or incest is taken into account by many Orthodox rabbis, though not all. Should I fight in favor of such a leniency? No, it is a part of Jewish Law, not Catholic Canon or Sharia Law. Other religions have their own laws concerning the life of the unborn child. The issue is complex in our country because of reasonable differences in religious beliefs. It is not the same issue as discrimination against Americans because of their skin color, religion, gender, age, disability, or other feature. That’s why I believe the abortion decision must be in the hands of the woman, her family, their faith, and the counsel of their doctor; not according to the dictates of either secular government or religious advocates. It is one of the few matters in which I agree with Barbara Bush, who stated that abortion should not be a political issue at all since it is a private and personal decision.
 
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