Paul Ryan Discussion

[LisaA]

I fail to see how this addresses my comment. The issue I would like to explore is…

What is the difference between a poor man taking advantage of the system versus a rich man who takes advantage? One receives disdain for their actions the other is applauded.

DeSanto this is YOUR OPINION, not anything stated by anyone. It may simply be the words “taking advantage” are somewhat pejorative. When one “takes advantage” of a sale that’s a good thing. When someone “takes advantage” of lax security to steal it’s not.

If someone uses legal measures to minimize their tax expense, I have ZERO problem with their doing so. It is silly to pay more taxes than necessary. If you want to help Uncle Sam you can always write a check.

If a NEEDY person “takes advantage” of social services, government programs or charities that’s fine too. No one has said otherwise.

However if someone cheats the system, note recent story about a woman who has 30 “Obama Phones” or if a store owner takes food stamps in a scam to give a discounted amount of cash back to the food stamp recipient then yes I DO have disdain for those people.

Does this make it clear with respect to my position? Do you disagree and if so why?

Lisa

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Biden: "Count on it, Paul."

Although, I’m pretty sure it’s

“Count on it, Governor Paul”

 

[LisaA]

Although, I’m pretty sure it’s

“Count on it, Governor Paul”

Naw he probably thinks he’s debating Ron Paul…and people were worried about Sarah Palin being a heartbeat away from the presidency…

Lisa

 

[qui_est_ce]

I fail to see how this addresses my comment. The issue I would like to explore is…

What is the difference between a poor man taking advantage of the system versus a rich man who takes advantage? One receives disdain for their actions the other is applauded.

Well, you’re outta luck here. Romney did not take full advantages of the system in this case.

Yet, here he is, being maligned by those who oppose him for not doing so, and you for doing so.

:whacky:

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Biden: "Count on it, Paul."

Joe Biden, “The middle class has been buried these last four years…” Makes you wonder who’s side he’s on.

 

[LisaA]

Joe Biden, “The middle class has been buried these last four years…” Makes you wonder who’s side he’s on.

Wasn’t that AMAZING? The thing that makes him so unlikeable is the nasty tone and vulgar language. How does anyone find this appealing? He just spat out the words and kept saying the Republicans wanted to increase taxes on the middle class…huh? With one voice claiming that Republicans have refused to raise taxes even with spending cuts, the next thing is they are raising taxes…

One side I know he’s not on, that of the American people (other than union members)

Lisa

 

[qui_est_ce]

Wasn’t that AMAZING? The thing that makes him so unlikeable is the nasty tone and vulgar language. How does anyone find this appealing? He just spat out the words and kept saying the Republicans wanted to increase taxes on the middle class…huh? With one voice claiming that Republicans have refused to raise taxes even with spending cuts, the next thing is they are raising taxes…

One side I know he’s not on, that of the American people (other than union members)

Lisa

I don’t know why so many people “like” him. He’s not some benevolent idiot walking around. He is a foul-mouthed liar who spins the truth.

Same for people who say Romney is out of touch. Say what? He grew up in small town America, playing baseball, going to church and to school.

Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. That’s pretty exotic in my book.

 

[LisaA]

I don’t know why so many people “like” him. He’s not some benevolent idiot walking around. He is a foul-mouthed liar who spins the truth.

Same for people who say Romney is out of touch. Say what? He grew up in small town America, playing baseball, going to church and to school.

Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. That’s pretty exotic in my book.

I agree, if you ask who was raised with “old fashioned” American values, who exemplifies the American family man, you have Mitt Romney. Yes he’s successful. Yes he’s rich. But money doesn’t change core values and core principles. Quite honestly the same for Paul Ryan. Midwest American family…baseball and apple pie. Couldn’t be more down to earth. I think a lot of people don’t interact with Mormon businessmen on a daily basis. Romney is a Mormon businessman with a Mormon businessman’s demeanor. His humility is mistaken for aloofness, his problem solving focus is mistaken for a lack of compassion. Quite honestly I would feel far more comfortable meeting Romney than Obama who is simply a mystery to me.

Obama truly had an unusual upbringing. Trying not to be an armchair psychologist, you have to wonder if his absent father, his mother’s multiple marriages to foreign men, living in foreign countries, being sent to live with grandparents in Hawaii, had anything to do with his very different attitude toward America. I thought one of the most telling articles about him was about how it is unlikely he absorbed the same feelings as someone raised like Romney and Ryan…or Biden for that matter.

Lisa

 

[qui_est_ce]

I agree, if you ask who was raised with “old fashioned” American values, who exemplifies the American family man, you have Mitt Romney. Yes he’s successful. Yes he’s rich. But money doesn’t change core values and core principles. Quite honestly the same for Paul Ryan. Midwest American family…baseball and apple pie. Couldn’t be more down to earth. I think a lot of people don’t interact with Mormon businessmen on a daily basis. Romney is a Mormon businessman with a Mormon businessman’s demeanor. His humility is mistaken for aloofness, his problem solving focus is mistaken for a lack of compassion. Quite honestly I would feel far more comfortable meeting Romney than Obama who is simply a mystery to me.

Obama truly had an unusual upbringing. Trying not to be an armchair psychologist, you have to wonder if his absent father, his mother’s multiple marriages to foreign men, living in foreign countries, being sent to live with grandparents in Hawaii, had anything to do with his very different attitude toward America. I thought one of the most telling articles about him was about how it is unlikely he absorbed the same feelings as someone raised like Romney and Ryan…or Biden for that matter.

Lisa

Agree with everything you wrote.

I find Romney quite likeable. I don’t find him aloof at all.

Now Obama, yes, aloof. His stilted way of talking, head up so his eyes seem to be looking down at you.

Looking forward to the debates. I hope they don’t allow personal attacks. I hope they make them both defend themselves and ask the hard questions.

Obama cannot defend what has happened on his watch. It’s all coming out now.

 

[LisaA]

Agree with everything you wrote.

I find Romney quite likeable. I don’t find him aloof at all.

Now Obama, yes, aloof. His stilted way of talking, head up so his eyes seem to be looking down at you.

Looking forward to the debates. I hope they don’t allow personal attacks. I hope they make them both defend themselves and ask the hard questions.

Obama cannot defend what has happened on his watch. It’s all coming out now.

No kidding…this is becoming a target rich environment. Hope the MSM doesn’t try to hide the truth. Thank heavens there is an alternative media. Ironic how Univision not only asked the tough questions about F&F but their investigation has brought out the carnage in Mexico. As to the spin on the Libyan attack, anyone with three functioning brain cells could tell it wasn’t just a bunch of students throwing rocks. I kept watching Susan Rice on the Sunday shows, then that stupid commercial Hillary did for Pakistani TV where they kept talking about the video. You have to wonder if it was dishonest or if they are truly that incompetent. Either way, don’t want either of those fingers on the Red Button.

Lisa

 

[DeSanto]

Well, you’re outta luck here. Romney did not take full advantages of the system in this case.

Yet, here he is, being maligned by those who oppose him for not doing so, and you for doing so.

:whacky:

You may see it that way. The way I see it, the position I am trying to take is more of a defense of the disadvantaged who have been grossly “maligned” in this election. The infamous “47% entitled victims” of America. That is what brought about this exhaustive debate.

 

[LisaA]

You may see it that way. The way I see it, the position I am trying to take is more of a defense of the disadvantaged who have been grossly “maligned” in this election. The infamous “47% entitled victims” of America. That is what brought about this exhaustive debate.

Like most you have picked and chosen to interpret those remarks as demeaning to those who are on government programs. Romney’s comments conflated several different groups into one big soundbite. Romney is right. If someone isn’t paying taxes, then telling them he plans to reduce taxes isn’t going to be very compelling. He’s also right about those who are dependent on government programs. If you believe in a big government nanny state then Romney’s message about reducing the size of government isn’t going to work to get those votes either.

I agree, Romney either did a poor job of distinguishing between several groups or the missing part of the video made it more understandable. But here’s the reality, people vote for their own interests. I want government reduced. I want to see these ineffective and expensive programs curtailed. I want my taxes reduced. Romney speaks to me.

If you are a welfare mom with five kids by three different men (this is a true example De Santo) who is hooked on meth, uneducated and not really ambitious, getting a government check sounds pretty good. If I were her, I wouldn’t vote for Romney either.

Please quit claiming that because Romney’s message doesn’t resonate with those who want a Nanny State that he is “demeaning them.”

Lisa

 

[qui_est_ce]

You may see it that way. The way I see it, the position I am trying to take is more of a defense of the disadvantaged who have been grossly “maligned” in this election. The infamous “47% entitled victims” of America. That is what brought about this exhaustive debate.

If that clip is all you can pick on, you are worse than the “one issue pro-life voters” that keep getting maligned here.

Your arguments here smack more of Devil’s advocate than true analysis of the facts.

Trouble is, as I see it, that’s representative of many Obama supporters here on CAF. Romney is not pro-life enough, so it’s okay to vote for the most pro-death president in the history of the US.

Signed,
Someone who really cares and donates time and money to the truly disadvantaged (Along with Mitt, who puts his money and time where his mouth is). If you need a link, I’ll gladly provide it.

Now I’m off to watch the debates.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Wasn’t that AMAZING? The thing that makes him so unlikeable is the nasty tone and vulgar language. How does anyone find this appealing? He just spat out the words and kept saying the Republicans wanted to increase taxes on the middle class…huh? With one voice claiming that Republicans have refused to raise taxes even with spending cuts, the next thing is they are raising taxes…

One side I know he’s not on, that of the American people (other than union members)

Lisa

How about “They’'ll put you all back in chains…”. And the media says nothing.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

You may see it that way. The way I see it, the position I am trying to take is more of a defense of the disadvantaged who have been grossly “maligned” in this election. The infamous “47% entitled victims” of America. That is what brought about this exhaustive debate.

The 47% of Americans who receive entitlement money are going to vote:

A. For the party/candidate who promises to ensure that the milk from heaven keeps flowing,

or,

B. The party/candidate that suggests that work is a requirement for getting money and that entitlements need to be re-evaluated because they are crippling the American economy.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Paul Ryan video for Catholic voters stresses religious freedom

 

[DeSanto]

Like most you have picked and chosen to interpret those remarks as demeaning to those who are on government programs.

Did I say demeaning? I don’t believe so. But, if you would like me to choose a word to interpret his remarks it would be “inaccurate”.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Paul Ryan video for Catholic voters stresses religious freedom

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7wnaxUyhpZA

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I agree, if you ask who was raised with “old fashioned” American values, who exemplifies the American family man, you have Mitt Romney. Yes he’s successful. Yes he’s rich. But money doesn’t change core values and core principles. Quite honestly the same for Paul Ryan. Midwest American family…baseball and apple pie. Couldn’t be more down to earth. I think a lot of people don’t interact with Mormon businessmen on a daily basis. Romney is a Mormon businessman with a Mormon businessman’s demeanor. His humility is mistaken for aloofness, his problem solving focus is mistaken for a lack of compassion. Quite honestly I would feel far more comfortable meeting Romney than Obama who is simply a mystery to me.

Obama truly had an unusual upbringing. Trying not to be an armchair psychologist, you have to wonder if his absent father, his mother’s multiple marriages to foreign men, living in foreign countries, being sent to live with grandparents in Hawaii, had anything to do with his very different attitude toward America. I thought one of the most telling articles about him was about how it is unlikely he absorbed the same feelings as someone raised like Romney and Ryan…or Biden for that matter.

Lisa

I think that being mentored by a card-carrying Communist Party member [Frank Marshall Davis] may have had something to do with it.

 

[_Abyssinia]

‘Call me Betty’: Paul Ryan’s mom stumps for her son in Florida

Once she secured the support from Anderson, the crowd erupted in a cheer and reporters began asking questions about how Ryan will perform at Thursday’s vice presidential debate. Douglas seemed happy to answer.

“I think he’s going to do very, very well,” she said. “Because he’s not afraid to confront and he does do his homework.”

And Vice President Joe Biden?
Douglas smiled.

“I think maybe it’s best I not say anything.”

Ryan’s job is different now