Paul Ryan Discussion

[SuperLuigi]

You never disappoint, Lisa. Ever the Romney and Ryan devotee. I admire your daring to say that expertise in economic matters is something sadly lacking in the entire Obama Administration. The entire Administration? As Seinfeld would have said, “Really?”

For someone who says he’s not voting for either major candidate, you sure are quick to defend the president.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

For someone who says he’s not voting for either major candidate, you sure are quick to defend the president.

Rich is just a nice guy. After all, somebody has to defend Obama, as difficult as that may be.

 

[DeSanto]

Paul Ryan was responding to a question. If he had deferred answering it, you would be
calling him out on it.

Romney was responding to a question. Should we disregard his response and go with Ryan’s instead?

The only thing I would call Ryan out on is his budget plan.

nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/ryan-does-not-have-time-to-explain-his-tax-plan.html

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Romney was responding to a question. Should we disregard his response and go with Ryan’s instead?

You could read THIS

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

Romney was responding to a question. Should we disregard his response and go with Ryan’s instead?

The only thing I would call Ryan out on is his budget plan.

nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/ryan-does-not-have-time-to-explain-his-tax-plan.html

Opps, I sometimes lose track with the different threads. Since this was about Paul Ryan…
I thought that’s who you were talking about. (He did get asked about Romney’s comment
on the campaign trail.)

 

[DeSanto]

You could read THIS

“THIS” proves nothing.

You could read this…

mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_conversion/2012/02/mitt_romney_s_abortion_record_flip_flop_or_conversion_.html

and I recommend you do if you are truly concerned about facts.

My point is Romney is not being honest about what he truly believes. He says what sounds good to obtain his objective. In this most recent case it would be the woman vote in Iowa. This is the truth.

 

[DeSanto]

You quoted Romney so he IS speaking for himself. You simply misinterpreted him or you don’t understand the point. There is no current legislation with regard to abortion that can become part of his platform. Why do you continue to argue the point that Romney didn’t make?

Lisa

There is no misunderstanding. I’m tired of people trying to translate for him everytime he misspeaks. Let Mitt be Mitt!

 

[LisaA]

There is no misunderstanding. I’m tired of people trying to translate for him everytime he misspeaks. Let Mitt be Mitt!

What did he say that was untrue? You simply don’t like the man because he is a Mormon. You have made it clear that nothing he can do will ever convince you to vote for him because he is a Mormon. So instead of simply living with your IMO rather biased opinion you seem to need to constantly provide little nit-picky things that you think would make someone question their vote.

Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
Lisa

 

[DeSanto]

What did he say that was untrue? You simply don’t like the man because he is a Mormon. You have made it clear that nothing he can do will ever convince you to vote for him because he is a Mormon. So instead of simply living with your IMO rather biased opinion you seem to need to constantly provide little nit-picky things that you think would make someone question their vote.

Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
Lisa

come on Lisa. That’s uncalled for. Now I have to defend myself of this “bigot” charge again? why are you trying to distract from the subject?

OK, Lisa could not wait to label me as a bigot because I dared to ask honest questions that I had concerns about…on a catholic answers forum. I asked why romneys religous affiliation was off limits while all other candidates were fair game. I asked what people thought of the scriptures that spoke of having nothing to do with or even approving of one who worships false gods. The hateful response I received was shocking. Ok, I could see how maybe I didn’t articulate my questions effectively and was taken the wrong way. I can accept that. But to assume this is the only reason I don’t like Romney is rediculous. I can also make assumption of you, Lisa. Like, you’re so blinded by your HATE for Obama that you would vote the devil himself into office. But that wouldn’t be very charitable would it? And neither are your assumptions.

in any case…

It seems on this thread that abortion is the deciding factor for settling for Romney. so why is a conversation about his shifting views on this subject irrelevant? What is wrong with looking at ones record and pointing out contradictions in ones statements to come to an informed decision?

 

[LisaA]

come on Lisa. That’s uncalled for. Now I have to defend myself of this “bigot” charge again? why are you trying to distract from the subject?

OK, Lisa could not wait to label me as a bigot because I dared to ask honest questions that I had concerns about…on a catholic answers forum. I asked why romneys religous affiliation was off limits while all other candidates were fair game. I asked what people thought of the scriptures that spoke of having nothing to do with or even approving of one who worships false gods. The hateful response I received was shocking. Ok, I could see how maybe I didn’t articulate my questions effectively and was taken the wrong way. I can accept that. But to assume this is the only reason I don’t like Romney is rediculous. I can also make assumption of you, Lisa. Like, you’re so blinded by your HATE for Obama that you would vote the devil himself into office. But that wouldn’t be very charitable would it? And neither are your assumptions.

in any case…

It seems on this thread that abortion is the deciding factor for settling for Romney. so why is a conversation about his shifting views on this subject irrelevant? What is wrong with looking at ones record and pointing out contradictions in ones statements to come to an informed decision?

DeSanto you made it very clear what you thought of Mormonism, calling it a cult and claiming Mormons believed in a different God. You then launched into the Bain capital, offshore accounts, tax cheating charges. Your arguments get batted down one after the other and you just dig up some new charge. OK fine.

It’s really not worth engaging in a discussion when it’s clear that your motivation is to infer some nefarious plot is going on in Romney’s life.

Here is reality. One of two men will be President. I think Obama is an unmitigated disaster in every way. Every day I see a new reason to hope and pray he isn’t re-elected. Romney is the alternative and I think he is an outstanding candidate and will be a good president. No he is not perfect but I can’t wait until Jesus returns to vote.

Lisa

 

[ishii]

You never disappoint, Lisa. Ever the Romney and Ryan devotee. I admire your daring to say that expertise in economic matters is something sadly lacking in the entire Obama Administration. The entire Administration? As Seinfeld would have said, “Really?”

Which member of the Obama admin has “expertise in economic matters” and what is the proof of that? The economy is lackluster and hasn’t improved.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

come on Lisa. That’s uncalled for. Now I have to defend myself of this “bigot” charge again? why are you trying to distract from the subject?

OK, Lisa could not wait to label me as a bigot because I dared to ask honest questions that I had concerns about…on a catholic answers forum. I asked why romneys religous affiliation was off limits while all other candidates were fair game. I asked what people thought of the scriptures that spoke of having nothing to do with or even approving of one who worships false gods. The hateful response I received was shocking. Ok, I could see how maybe I didn’t articulate my questions effectively and was taken the wrong way. I can accept that. But to assume this is the only reason I don’t like Romney is rediculous. I can also make assumption of you, Lisa. Like, you’re so blinded by your HATE for Obama that you would vote the devil himself into office. But that wouldn’t be very charitable would it? And neither are your assumptions.

in any case…

It seems on this thread that abortion is the deciding factor for settling for Romney. so why is a conversation about his shifting views on this subject irrelevant? What is wrong with looking at ones record and pointing out contradictions in ones statements to come to an informed decision?

So Desanto, given that Obama’s on record supporting partial birth abortion and is in the pocket of NARAL and supports abortion rights, and given that Romney picked pro-life Catholic Paul Ryan to be vice president and has Robert Bork of all people advising him on which justices to pick so that Roe V Wade will be overturned, how do you justify not voting for the more pro-life candidate (Romney) because of theological differences? I mean, is keeping a Mormon out of the White House more important than overturning Roe V Wade? Please explain.

Ishii

 

[DeSanto]

So Desanto, given that Obama’s on record supporting partial birth abortion and is in the pocket of NARAL and supports abortion rights, and given that Romney picked pro-life Catholic Paul Ryan to be vice president and has Robert Bork of all people advising him on which justices to pick so that Roe V Wade will be overturned, how do you justify not voting for the more pro-life candidate (Romney) because of theological differences? I mean, is keeping a Mormon out of the White House more important than overturning Roe V Wade? Please explain.

Ishii

1. to answer your question simply, I don’t believe Romney is pro-life. His religious affiliation is not the deciding factor here although, I do believe, as all other candidates, it should be part of the discussion. I don’t think one who wants to understand more about Mormonism when examining their conscience should be ashamed to ask questions, especially on a forum designed for that exact reason.

You have me mistaken. There are many deal breakers for me when it comes to Obama. Although, I do not view him as evil, Muslim, foreign, other, dr. of death most would like to convey him as. I have stated several times I am conflicted between not voting at all, considering my vote does not matter in this election anyway, or voting for a third party. Did you happen to read over the reference I posted? NARAL was also a great endorsement for Romney when it advantaged him. As I said, I believe he just says whatever sounds good at the time to achieve his main objective at the time. He’s not consistent on anything. That plays to the content of his character as do many other areas of concern I have pointed out throughout this thread.

mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_conversion/2012/02/mitt_romney_s_abortion_record_flip_flop_or_conversion_.html

Someone made a good point in an article I read. It was from a Vietnam vet, lifetime republican, supporting Obama. He stated something to this effect…“if we can’t trust or believe what Romney tells us, how can the rest of the world?”

Here’s the article…I am not supportive of Obama but, I am not the only one that has deep concerns about the alternative.

examiner.com/article/republican-senator-endorses-president-barack-obama-for-re-election

I completely respect others views on Romney. I am not trying to persuade anyone, I’m just expressing my views and expect the same respect.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Which member of the Obama admin has “expertise in economic matters” and what is the proof of that? The economy is lackluster and hasn’t improved.

Are you saying that NO ONE in the entire Administration, from top to bottom, at any level, has any economic expertise? That IS nonsense.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

DeSanto you made it very clear what you thought of Mormonism, calling it a cult and claiming Mormons believed in a different God.

Sorry, Lisa, I’m on De Santo’s side on this one. In my opinion, which is apparently opposite yours, Mormonism IS a cult. As your response seem imply that it’s just another brand of Protestantism (You regard De Santo’s accusation as only a claim), well, fine.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

What did he say that was untrue? You simply don’t like the man because he is a Mormon. You have made it clear that nothing he can do will ever convince you to vote for him because he is a Mormon. So instead of simply living with your IMO rather biased opinion you seem to need to constantly provide little nit-picky things that you think would make someone question their vote.

Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
Lisa

The contrast between Catholicism and Mormonism is more than “nit-picky,” and it is, for many people, a good reason to not vote for R/R, Lisa.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Rich is just a nice guy. After all, somebody has to defend Obama, as difficult as that may be.

Most people here aren’t just against Obama, which is fine (there are reasons a-plenty to not vote for him), but there’s too much lining up to get a chance to kick him in the face. I don’t like that done to anyone so I will not join that crowd. Thanks for seeing where I’m coming from.

 

[DeSanto]

DeSanto you made it very clear what you thought of Mormonism, calling it a cult and claiming Mormons believed in a different God. You then launched into the Bain capital, offshore accounts, tax cheating charges. Your arguments get batted down one after the other and you just dig up some new charge. OK fine.

It’s really not worth engaging in a discussion when it’s clear that your motivation is to infer some nefarious plot is going on in Romney’s life.

Here is reality. One of two men will be President. I think Obama is an unmitigated disaster in every way. Every day I see a new reason to hope and pray he isn’t re-elected. Romney is the alternative and I think he is an outstanding candidate and will be a good president. No he is not perfect but I can’t wait until Jesus returns to vote.

Lisa

What ever do you mean by that last statement? What are you insinuating?

The word cult did not come out of my mouth. You are totally misrepresenting me. I did not support that pastor when he claimed Mormonism was a cult. I do not support any extreme labels that have been put on either candidate. I think it is immature to do so. Now, I wanted to learn more about Mormonism. What I learned was that their god is different. Not that I want to judge him for his beliefs, he is perfectly entitle to believe what he wants. But, it is fair to say he worships a different god. This is just a fact, not a bias opinion. I am fully aware his religious belief should not effect his ability to preside over the country but, when weighing my conscience, I must consider how my approval of him effects my conscience. I am not sure how I feel about it, and have yet to find a forum willing to discuss this subject. It’s certainly not that I am trying to covey some nefarious plot of Mormons trying to take over or anything of the sort. It is simply an examination of conscience I was considering. On other issues, I simply have a hard time trusting in or believing what he says and I have proposed facts and links to help explain why I feel the way I do. You need to please try to keep from reading more into my comments that what is acually there.

I do not wish to persuade you. I just wish I would not be attacked every time I state my views. The problem is whenever someone does not share your view, you become very defensive and start making wild accusations of them and are quite frankly very disrespectful in your comments of them. And you become very hypocritical and seem to think its ok to say all these nasty things about Obama and to attack posters on their views yet, any criticsm of Romney is not allowed. You try to paint me inaccurately as a bigot and ignorant and take everything I say the wrong way, which in turn I feel I must defend myself from your accusations. Otherwise, I would not continue to engage with you.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

The problem is whenever someone does not share your view, you become very defensive and start making -]wild/-] accusations of them and are quite frankly very disrespectful in your comments of them. And you become very hypocritical and seem to think its ok to say all these nasty things about Obama and to attack posters on their views yet, any criticsm of Romney is not allowed.

That’s Lisa’s style. Not like that of the other GOP supporters who are less partisan, but the way she seems to view things . Some like that style, others not so much.

For my part, I cannot accept that Romney and Ryan are perfect, the two of them deigning to “walk among us,” but each to his or her own point of view. She is entitled to hers.

 

[qui_est_ce]

This thread is about Paul Ryan. Talk about Romney on his threads, there are quite a few.

Tonight is the VP debate. Let’s talk about Paul.