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eightandsand
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I would sure hope so.
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Arizona_Mike
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DGHunter, on what are you basing this? When I googled “Paul Ryan and gay rights” all I found were articles on gay political websites berating Ryan, as in this quote from the “Human Rights Organization” on the Miami Herald website:
Read more here: miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2012/08/hrc-paul-ryan-voted-against-hate-crimes-law-end-of-military-ban-letting-gay-couples-marry-adopt.html#storylink=cpy
The useful website www/ontheissues.com provides the following info on Ryan’s voting record:
ON ABORTION:
Voted YES on banning federal health coverage that includes abortion. (May 2011)
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted YES on funding for health providers who don’t provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 100% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-life stance. (Dec 2006)
Prohibit transporting minors across state lines for abortion. (Jan 2008)
Bar funding for abortion under federal Obamacare plans. (Jul 2010)
Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)
Congress shall protect life beginning with fertilization. (Jan 2011)
Prohibit federal funding to groups like Planned Parenthood. (Jan 2011)
Grant the pre-born equal protection under 14th Amendment. (Jan 2007)
Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation. (Nov 2007)
Voted YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
NO on allowing Courts to decide on “God” in Pledge of Allegiance:
YES on responsible fatherhood via faith-based organizations:
YES on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks:
Rated 91% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-Family-Value voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 0% by the AU, indicating opposition to church-state separation. (Dec 2006)
If that’s “liberal,” I’d be interested in knowing what you think “conservative” would be…
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lynnvinc
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Not much – too much opposition, perhaps due to our society’s lack of understanding that the environment is the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, the chemicals that permeate through our skin, the materials with which we build our homes and products, and the climate in which we practice our agriculture – and that it’s not just wild/useless species in wild/useless places, polar bears and rainforests to be written off a part of doing business. The point is no viable enviornment (God’s great & life-sustaining creation), no business, no us.
Plus Obama put all his political capital into health care – I guess so we can live longer lives and see the world go into an environmental tailspin of harm, death, and destruction. I’m glad I’m in my old age and will probably be checking out before I have to see much of that. So sorry for the young people and their progeny. So very very sorry.
On the other hand, I don’t expect Romney/Ryan to be able to push through laws to ban (or at least reduce) abortion either – there are too many people against that, as well.
I guess it’s pretty near impossible to get anyone to do the truly pro-life things. People are pretty much into stuffing their faces, personal rights and pleasures (skipping & ignoring duties, responsibilities & the 10 Commandments), amassing wealth, living it up today, with no concern for the children or future generations. We live in a very pro-death culture, and it’s like swimming up river up the Mississippi or something, or swimming up Niagara (Viagra) Falls to try and inspire people to do the right things, the life things.
Our human recalcitrance against reducing harms to life and our wilful ignorance about life issues – spouting climate change is a hoax and fetuses are just inconvenient, obstructive plasma to be surgically removed and discarded – are pretty discouraging to say the least.
I just can’t believe Ryan and Romney are pro-life on anything, if they are so adamantly anti-environment and anti-climate-change-mitigation. At least it seems Obama is concerned enough about his own children (if not those of abortion-seeking women) to give faint lip-service to enviornmental issues. That’s not much, but it’s better than the anti-life agenda the opposition favors.
I cannot vote for death to life on earth. I cannot. I never thought there would be presidential candidates like Romney/Ryan that made Bush look good by comparison. At least Bush gave lip-service to mitigating climate change and addressing environmental harms, while actually reducing regs so that, for instance, fracking operations can ignore the Safe Drinking Water Act and leave people drinking benzene etc, grossly reducing Toxic Release Inventory standards so we can choke more on poisons, and muzzling climate scientists so they couldn’t give accurate information about climate change. I can only expect much much worse from Romney/Ryan who are out to do everyone (or at least a large chunk of humanity) in – by allowing and encouraging slow environmental death to the world.
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eightandsand
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You hit the nail on the head.
Ryan voted for the TARP, the Economic Stimulus, the GM and Chrysler Bailouts, and for entitlement spending - the very issues that give fiscal conservatives indigestion. Yet Romney has put all his money on the “it’s the economy” strategy. Did Romney even look at Ryan’s voting record on economic issues?
Romney/Ryan also subsribe to an interventionist foreign policy, in the worst traditions of this country. But Obama subscribes to that same policy (it is just a matter of degree), so chalk that up as a tie.
On social policy, Ryan appears to have a pretty good pro-life record. The only problem is that his Boss (Romney) has an absolutely abysmal pro-life record.
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DoGodsBidding
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Scott_Lafrance
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Yes and that is all I am saying on the matter.
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He_Man
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Great character, but doesn’t mean he’d be an effective president either. Being ex-military, I love prior service nominees, but that in and of itself doesn’t mean they’ll be good Presidents.
Not to take away from Harrington - sounds like a class act.
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Pork_Roll
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Just like in the Lord of the Rings with Middle Earth, creation is fallen. Life is basically tragic in that our hope is not with the world. The devil has all the high places. But he already lost and his days are numbered.
The way I look at it, we aren’t here to fix the world because it can’t be fixed. Obama is evil in my opinion so voting for Romney, even though he’s a Mormon who basically worships money, will still lessen evil. That’s all we can hope to acomplish as far as I’m conerned.
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gilliam
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If you mean they work in the system, yea, that’s how you get elected in this country. Lincoln was a “system guy” by that definition as well. As were all POTUS
meltzerboy
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Great post! Pro-life encompasses not only being anti-abortion but also helping the poor and downtrodden, reducing international conflict and war, behaving with charity and equity toward others, and taking measures so that we have clean air, clean water, safe food, and a sustainable environment. Without the latter, life on Earth will cease to exist for our children and grandchildren, and they won’t have to worry about the economy, the deficit, employment, health care, or Social Security.
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JoeBowen7
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And it seems like Romney wants to return to the cold war, as he has said that the number one geopolitical enemy of the USA today is Russia.
meltzerboy
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I didn’t know Romney said that; I thought he was focusing more on Iran.
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gilliam
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No he said it. Not a real great thing to say. Russia is a problem, yes… but the #1 geopolitical enemy of the US? That is up for debate. They do tend to be in the way every time there is a crisis (take Syria and Iran for example.) But so is China. They are both obstructionist whenever there is a crisis in the mid-East or with North Korea or Iran.
Back in March, Romney said:
Presidential candidate Mitt Romney recently called Russia “without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe” while criticizing President Obama for remarks he made to Russia’s president about missile defense that were picked up by a live microphone.
At the United Nations Security Council, “who is it that always stands up for the world’s worst actors?” Romney asked on CNN on Monday. “It is always Russia, typically with China alongside.”
latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/03/mitt-romney-russia-number-one-geopolitical-foe.html
meltzerboy
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Thanks for the info, gilliam. Not too reassuring.
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gilliam
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I think he was trying to make a point that Russia and China were not geopolitical friends of the US, which is true. And maybe they are the most powerful of those who are in that category. In a diplomatic sense, they are not friends. But competitors might be a better word rather than enemies.
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Nec5
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If you have to ask, there’s no point in me defining it…
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CaptFun
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Substance! Actual voting record! Such things exist somewhere? Yes!
Thank you O Great Arizona Mike (who sees all!). :bowdown::bowdown2: Seriously Thank You.
It’s nice to see a concise voting record for at least ONE of the people who top a ticket in the US. Kudos to you for posting it in this way.
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_Abyssinia
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Ryan has won 7 terms in a democrat district where Obama won by 4% in 2008. 1 in 5 people who voted for Obama voted by Ryan who won 65%
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Veridical16
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I think Paul Ryan should be a trustworthy guy who is easy for the public to read and accept what he says and not be too suspicious of fronts or veneers – he’s been more prominent since the Healthcare debate for two years. And he doesn’t give off the sense that he has much to hide, and his young family and Congressional background, gives off the impression that he is a work horse…
I think he might be too nice or easy going , with the Republican Establishment – by certain possible patterns, influences he has shown in his career in being part of the political club (possibly making him complicit with powerful people who can persuade him ) TARP , bailouts being one of the big bad votes…
But Congressional votes don’t paint the entire picture anyway for a presidential candidate. There are many congress persons who vote gratifyingly to ideological voters or safely and might not make good leaders. And sometimes votes that are up for dispute can be made in honest error…Ryan might be an over-thinker… I remember reading his explanation for the TARP vote for instance.
That said, I believe he has a grounding in good philosophy and an informed world view, he probably has a well formed conscience judging from his votes on life issues, and against homosexual activism (His vote against Hate Crimes Bill legislation in 2009 is a good sign that he saw through that subterfuge )
, in that he is aware, able of what is bad philosophy, which is not always a priority in the public life. Given that prominent people on both sides (coincidentally Romney being one of them) take up and pander to ideologues yet don’t recognize the faults, or strengths within such philosophies, while others do have a core philosophy, yet embrace them anyway because they know it is a means for power , hide it under demagoguery, and then package as mainstream, or in a two dimensional way. This applies a lot to the leftists but we have right wing people who exploit rigid aspects to conservatism and its cultural aspects.
Paul Ryan doesn’t seem to fit this type of politician (and hopefully with prayer won’t become that kind of guy) , because I’ve heard him in one interview become annoyed with some of the show horses , fellow congressmen who weren’t being productive but chasing cameras etc.
Here is an example that should illustrate first impressions of his philosophical make up…
A snippet from , Paul Ryan on his interest in Ayn Rand literature ,
I want to hear Joe Biden’s thoughts on Thomas Aquinas…
I think he might be too nice or easy going , with the Republican Establishment – by certain possible patterns, influences he has shown in his career in being part of the political club (possibly making him complicit with powerful people who can persuade him ) TARP , bailouts being one of the big bad votes…
But Congressional votes don’t paint the entire picture anyway for a presidential candidate. There are many congress persons who vote gratifyingly to ideological voters or safely and might not make good leaders. And sometimes votes that are up for dispute can be made in honest error…Ryan might be an over-thinker… I remember reading his explanation for the TARP vote for instance.
That said, I believe he has a grounding in good philosophy and an informed world view, he probably has a well formed conscience judging from his votes on life issues, and against homosexual activism (His vote against Hate Crimes Bill legislation in 2009 is a good sign that he saw through that subterfuge )
, in that he is aware, able of what is bad philosophy, which is not always a priority in the public life. Given that prominent people on both sides (coincidentally Romney being one of them) take up and pander to ideologues yet don’t recognize the faults, or strengths within such philosophies, while others do have a core philosophy, yet embrace them anyway because they know it is a means for power , hide it under demagoguery, and then package as mainstream, or in a two dimensional way. This applies a lot to the leftists but we have right wing people who exploit rigid aspects to conservatism and its cultural aspects.
Paul Ryan doesn’t seem to fit this type of politician (and hopefully with prayer won’t become that kind of guy) , because I’ve heard him in one interview become annoyed with some of the show horses , fellow congressmen who weren’t being productive but chasing cameras etc.
Here is an example that should illustrate first impressions of his philosophical make up…
A snippet from , Paul Ryan on his interest in Ayn Rand literature ,
nationalreview.com/articles/297023/ryan-shrugged-robert-costa
I want to hear Joe Biden’s thoughts on Thomas Aquinas…
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GaryTaylor
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I’ve listened to Paul Ryan a few times on EWTN when he appeared as a guest. All his conversations can be watched.
I believe he is a excellent choice.
“We’re in a different and dangerous moment. We’re running out of time. And we can’t afford four more years of this,” Ryan said. “Politicians from both parties have made empty promises which will soon become broken promises with painful consequences if we fail to act now.”
I believe he is a excellent choice.
“We’re in a different and dangerous moment. We’re running out of time. And we can’t afford four more years of this,” Ryan said. “Politicians from both parties have made empty promises which will soon become broken promises with painful consequences if we fail to act now.”
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