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Marie5890
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Thanks for the added facts…
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LisaA
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No I was just referring to headlines that said the Dems were dancing jigs thinking they had now snagged the senior vote with Ryan as VP. The reality is that seniors know that Obamacare really destroyed “Medicare as we know it” along with really severe cuts that were supposed to make it cost less than $1trillion. In reality they counted the same “savings” twice and also included the “doc fix” which as anyone knows is always the last can kicked down the road. As it is fewer and fewer docs accept Medicare and with the future cuts as Abyssinia noted will make finding a doctor who takes Medicare even more difficult. Seniors are probably more aware than most that Obamacare is the worst thing for their demographic because all it offers is a Medicare card which does not translate into a doctor or a hospital willing to treat you.I hope you’re not referring to me.I hope I did not come across that way.
I agree with all of that.
Please elaborate.
The whole SS for the rich thing has been a travesty forever. That was never the intent of social security, not from the beginning, and should always have been means-tested.
Or, let’s put it this way: I think SS could be/should have been converted to savings accounts (IRA’s) for those lacking IRA’s, such as older workers, and there are a zillion older workers with virtually no retirement income (no safety net), for reasons beyond their control. IOW, you shouldn’t have to be absurdly poor on the brink of homelessness to get SS, but if you’re a middle-income older worker, SS can become your IRA, postponed until you rely on it.
The Ryan plan calls for premium support, offering larger amounts to those who are poor versus those who can afford to pay more or who want to pay more for enhanced coverage. Of course the Left shreiks that only $XXXX for HEALTHCARE which is a canard, as the funds pay for premium support, not direct payments to doctors…but hey let’s not let the facts get in the way this time either.
I agree that SS for the wealthy or even those who have other pensions or retirement income is an idea whose time never was and needs to be reversed. Given that life expectancy has increased dramatically, that there are fewer workers to support more retirees, this is a plan that’s already circling the drain.
It’s very sad that moral courage is sadly lacking as most of Congress and of course Obama are far more concerned with their re-election than in governing. When Ryan first offered his budget he was immediately beset with furious and untrue attacks from the Left including the infamous “throw granny off the cliff” ad which I am sure they are dusting off for an encore.
Interestingly Senator Wyden has worked with Rep Ryan on a new approach to Medicare. Speaking as a constituant, Wyden is quite far Left but unlike his collegues he actually understands that we are on a fast road to nowhere with the current system. I am hoping that Senator Wyden and other fiscally responsible representatives can bring some honesty to the debate.
That being said, Ryan has an incredible command of economic issues. Watching him run circles around Joe Biden who seems to be fact challenged much of the time, will be worth the price of admission.
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Trader
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Mark your calendars now:
jsonline.com/blogs/news/165849266.html#!page=3&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst
October 11 Paul Ryan debates Joe Biden in Kentucky. I can’t wait to hear the two VP candidates handle a question on religious liberty and the HHS mandate. Biden will have to defend a policy he knows is wrong. He may need one of those air-conditioned suits that race car drivers use.
Although I am not a racing fan, except for the Indy 500, this is my second suggestion linking politics to racing. The first was to have candidates wear suits like NASCAR drivers with the logos of their sponsors clearly displayed. Bill Clinton would have had a Chinese flag on his suit. Obama’s suit would be a wonder, too. Maybe we would see where all the logos of big banks used to be covered up by new logos for Planned Parenthood, and NARL. That would be real transparency in politics that the average voter could understand.
jsonline.com/blogs/news/165849266.html#!page=3&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst
October 11 Paul Ryan debates Joe Biden in Kentucky. I can’t wait to hear the two VP candidates handle a question on religious liberty and the HHS mandate. Biden will have to defend a policy he knows is wrong. He may need one of those air-conditioned suits that race car drivers use.
Although I am not a racing fan, except for the Indy 500, this is my second suggestion linking politics to racing. The first was to have candidates wear suits like NASCAR drivers with the logos of their sponsors clearly displayed. Bill Clinton would have had a Chinese flag on his suit. Obama’s suit would be a wonder, too. Maybe we would see where all the logos of big banks used to be covered up by new logos for Planned Parenthood, and NARL. That would be real transparency in politics that the average voter could understand.
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gilliam
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There are a lot of reasons for Democrats to be happy.
This pick shows that the Romney campaign didn’t think it was going to win the election (if they did, they would have picked a safe VP candidate, not a risky one.)
Because Ryan is a risky one, and because he has a history, the Democrats can attack him. They can make the election about Ryan, not about Romney
If I were in their shoes, I would be happy too.
This pick shows that the Romney campaign didn’t think it was going to win the election (if they did, they would have picked a safe VP candidate, not a risky one.)
Because Ryan is a risky one, and because he has a history, the Democrats can attack him. They can make the election about Ryan, not about Romney
If I were in their shoes, I would be happy too.
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buffalo
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Putting his foot in his mouth…
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rlg94086
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Exactly. I was responding to your post, so that Catholics on the forum would understand that your definition isn’t the Catholic definition. As it is a Catholic forum, sometimes Catholics don’t realize that a post from a non-Catholic doesn’t line up with what our Bishop’s teach and decide to place real life issues on an equal plane with other less important issues.
Your post was interesting, and you have a right to believe as you wish. However, it isn’t particularly instructive to Catholics.
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edwest2
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From the National Catholic Register:
ncregister.com/daily-news/paul-ryan-catholic-who-looks-to-churchs-social-teaching-tapped-as-romney-ru/
Peace,
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ncregister.com/daily-news/paul-ryan-catholic-who-looks-to-churchs-social-teaching-tapped-as-romney-ru/
Peace,
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Scott_Lafrance
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And it will be Catholic v. Catholic.
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rlg94086
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Life issues don’t have to be mentioned in every post about a candidate. While abortion is the most important issue today (equivalent to slavery as an issue pre-Civil War), we are still concerned about the economy, size of our bloated, federal government, etcetera. You are uncharitably inferring that those posters care less about life issues because they didn’t mention them.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Neither side will cast it that way. Besides, the whole business of “I’m more Catholic than you are” is childish IMO. “My rosary beads are more impressive than yours.”
Better that it’s Biden vs Ryan, and both ought to keep religion out of it.
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simple_soul
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Rich,Neither side will cast it that way. Besides, the whole business of “I’m more Catholic than you are” is childish IMO. “My rosary beads are more impressive than yours.”
Better that it’s Biden vs Ryan, and both ought to keep religion out of it.
Why should religion be kept out of it? *
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_Abyssinia
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Big crowds point to a Romney-Ryan edge?
washingtonexaminer.com/big-crowds-point-to-a-romney-ryan-edge/article/2504703
washingtonexaminer.com/big-crowds-point-to-a-romney-ryan-edge/article/2504703
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Marie5890
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Most people wont care about that…
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gilliam
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If they can pull big crowds in a month, it will be news, now it is curiosity.
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Al_Moritz
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Here is a great analysis of Ryan’s plan. Read all the six links at the bottom of the article:
washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/once-again-paul-ryan-is-not-what-you-think/2012/08/11/eef229a4-e37a-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.html
This analysis also considers the good ideas in Ryan’s plan (like premium support for Medicare) which it suggests also Democrats might endorse if they are serious about the issues, but overall it is a very rational and relentless analysis of facts vs. claims in the Ryan plan. I don’t expect die-hard right-wingers who are set in their ideology and do not wish to educate themselves to read it, but those who are serious about good information should definitely read it. It is quite enlightening.
washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/once-again-paul-ryan-is-not-what-you-think/2012/08/11/eef229a4-e37a-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.html
This analysis also considers the good ideas in Ryan’s plan (like premium support for Medicare) which it suggests also Democrats might endorse if they are serious about the issues, but overall it is a very rational and relentless analysis of facts vs. claims in the Ryan plan. I don’t expect die-hard right-wingers who are set in their ideology and do not wish to educate themselves to read it, but those who are serious about good information should definitely read it. It is quite enlightening.
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_Abyssinia
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Blog is called post partisan but an article from a former Clinton aide is not that
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Prodigal_Son1
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I didn’t infer anything, and certainly didn’t mean anything to be uncharitable. I merely pointed out that there was several posts that only addressed the economic issues, and continued with attention only on those issues, never bringing up the ‘real life’ issues.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Actually, because they are both Catholic, then the “Catholic factor” may become important to the Catholic vote.Neither side will cast it that way. Besides, the whole business of “I’m more Catholic than you are” is childish IMO. “My rosary beads are more impressive than yours.”
Better that it’s Biden vs Ryan, and both ought to keep religion out of it.
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gilliam
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Ummmmm… A New Yorker column on the Ryan pick: Looks like the Obama team was planning on using the Ryan budget as an attack on Romney, no matter what:
And just why have they done that? Because they knew full well that if the race were purely a referendum on Obama, they would likely lose — but if bright lines could be drawn on values and visions regarding fiscal choices, that was the kind of election they could win. This was why Chicago was planning to hang the Ryan budget around Romney’s neck regardless of whether the congressman was on the ticket or not. Obama’s data jockeys have been polling and focus-grouping on this for months, and they are over the moon about what they have found. And while that data is guarded by lock, key, and Uzi-toting thugs (kidding — sorta), anyone interested in the topic should take a look at the work that Stan Greenberg and his team at Greenberg Quinlan Rosner did recently on the Ryan agenda and its electoral implications for Democracy Corps. To put it mildly, their conclusion is fairly bracing:
At the outset, the Ryan budget (described in Ryan’s actual language) barely garners majority support. And voters raise serious doubts when they hear about proposed cuts — particularly to Medicare, education, and children of the working poor. President Obama’s lead against Romney more than doubles when the election is framed as a choice between the two candidates’ positions on the Ryan budget — particularly its impact on the most vulnerable. The President makes significant gains among key groups, including independents and voters in the Rising American Electorate (the unmarried women, youth, and minority voters who drove Obama to victory in 2008).
nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/picking-ryan-why-romney-changed-to-obamas-game.html
And just why have they done that? Because they knew full well that if the race were purely a referendum on Obama, they would likely lose — but if bright lines could be drawn on values and visions regarding fiscal choices, that was the kind of election they could win. This was why Chicago was planning to hang the Ryan budget around Romney’s neck regardless of whether the congressman was on the ticket or not. Obama’s data jockeys have been polling and focus-grouping on this for months, and they are over the moon about what they have found. And while that data is guarded by lock, key, and Uzi-toting thugs (kidding — sorta), anyone interested in the topic should take a look at the work that Stan Greenberg and his team at Greenberg Quinlan Rosner did recently on the Ryan agenda and its electoral implications for Democracy Corps. To put it mildly, their conclusion is fairly bracing:
At the outset, the Ryan budget (described in Ryan’s actual language) barely garners majority support. And voters raise serious doubts when they hear about proposed cuts — particularly to Medicare, education, and children of the working poor. President Obama’s lead against Romney more than doubles when the election is framed as a choice between the two candidates’ positions on the Ryan budget — particularly its impact on the most vulnerable. The President makes significant gains among key groups, including independents and voters in the Rising American Electorate (the unmarried women, youth, and minority voters who drove Obama to victory in 2008).
nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/picking-ryan-why-romney-changed-to-obamas-game.html
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Al_Moritz
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I had not expected you to be willing to read the analysis.
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