Paul Ryan!!

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gilliam said:
Romney is not embracing Ryan’s budget. From today’s Republican talking points:

1) Does this mean Mitt Romney is adopting the Paul Ryan plan?
  • Gov. Romney applauds Paul Ryan for going in the right direction with his budget, and as president he will be putting together his own plan for cutting the deficit and putting the budget on a path to balance.
  • Romney’s administration will go through the budget line by line and ask two questions: Can we afford it? And, if not, should we borrow money from China to pay for it?
  • Mitt Romney will start with the easiest cut of all: Obamacare, a trillion-dollar entitlement we don’t want and can’t afford.
  • Mitt Romney also laid out commonsense reforms that will make good on our promises to today’s seniors and save Social Security and Medicare for future generations.
2) Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have different views on some policy areas – like Medicare spending, entitlement reform, labor, etc. – do you think those differences are going to hurt or help?
  • Of course they aren’t going to have the same view on every issue. But they both share the view that this election is a choice about two fundamentally different paths for this country. President Obama has taken America down a path of debt and decline. Romney and Ryan believe in a path for America that leads to more jobs, less debt and smaller government. So, while you might find an issue or two where they might not agree, they are in complete agreement on the direction that they want to lead America.
3) Do you worry that Paul Ryan’s controversial Medicare plan will hurt the campaign with independents?
  • No. President Obama is the one who should be worried, because he has cut $700 BILLION from Medicare to pay for Obamacare, and put in place a panel of Washington bureaucrats to make decisions about what kind of care seniors will receive under Medicare. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a bipartisan plan to strengthen Medicare by giving future seniors the choice between traditional Medicare and a variety of private plans. They are committed to ensuring that Medicare remains strong, not just for today’s seniors, but for tomorrow’s seniors as well.
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LOL :rotfl: Oh swell. So after basically the entire Republican Party embraced the Ryan budget now he and Romney are going to come up with another plan. :rolleyes: How convenient. Perfect timing. And just what America needs.

Americans already wonder which Romney would show up if elected. And now they’ll have the same with Paul Ryan. Will the real Paul Ryan please stand up will be the question as it already is with Romney. Now they’ll have to worry which version of both of these guys would actually appear when it matters. 🤷 And surely they know Obama’s Medicare cuts were more towards Medicare Advantage private programs and doctors. Not so much to the beneficiaries or future beneficiaries. And that most beneficiaries are not on the Advantage plans.

I’m not going to be buying into the new “make Paul Ryan’s budget look kinder and gentler” version. I’m pretty sure they’d be beholden to the Tea Party and far right extreme wing of their party in any first term if they wanted to get a 2nd. I only need to look to see how beholden Romney has tried to be to them thus far.
 
I’m not sure, as long as I don’t disagree with him on all the major issues then I don’t care. In the majority of presidencies VPs don’t mean to much, it has a bigger impact on who gets elected I want a VP who will help romney get elected.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Obama just tweeted

Obama is obsessed with protecting abortion
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Maybe because most Americans don’t subscribe to the Catholic view? This may surprise you but some people are willing to make exceptions in certain cases and allow it to be legal in cases like rape, incest, to protect the life of the mother. Others might include the first trimester. There are honest differences of opinion on this issue among Americans.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
You want more?

Proverbs 26:14
As the door turneth upon its hinges, so doth the slothful upon his bed.
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Twisting scriptures to support a political view isn’t right, in my opinion. You have, however, shown the concern is more about personal wealth than sharing with others.

Please explain how a 60 or 70 year old person is slothful? Someone who has worked all their life and possibly had bad fortune that cost them their savings, possibly on a health problem. You generalize too much.

Not everyone has had the same opportunities in life. I hope I’m not arguing a point with someone who believes in the prosperity gospel, similar to what Joel Osteen preaches.
 
CMatt25 said:
There are honest differences of opinion on this issue among Americans.
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There were also honest differences of opinion on issues like slavery, women’s rights, forced sterilization, etc.

Thankfully, the Catholic Church has been clear down thru the ages on this issue: direct, intentional abortion is murder.

And with the advances of modern science, there is really no excuse today for an honest difference of opinion on this issue. Even before the advances of modern science, the ancients knew the evil of abortion thru the application of Logic.
 
CMatt25 said:
And for those who may have made mistakes along the way, you see no problem kicking them to the curb?
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Seems some are letting the real reasons show of why they prefer conservative. I see people showing great concerns over money and not saying how this could be a victory in issues like abortion, or contraception. 🤷
 
CMatt25 said:
Maybe because most Americans don’t subscribe to the Catholic view? This may surprise you but some people are willing to make exceptions in certain cases and allow it to be legal in cases like rape, incest, to protect the life of the mother. Others might include the first trimester. There are honest differences of opinion on this issue among Americans.
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So non-Catholic Americans are OK with this?

Pro-choice is the choice a woman wants to murder her unborn child who is denied choice and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
He_Man said:
Rumor is he is going by his actual full name for the campaign, Ron Paul Ryan in an attempt to court the more libertarian wing of the party.
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Does Mr. Ryan agree with the foreign policy of Ron Paul? As i understand it to be, Ron Paul is for cutting the military budget drastically, stopping the foreign wars, and closing down America’s overseas bases? On the other hand, Romney wants a strong military. Where does Mr. Ryan stand on the military budget, foreign wars, overseas bases. Does he stand with Mr. Ron Paul or with Mr. Romney?
 
gilliam said:
Organized labor is already a lock for Obama (or just about any Democrat for that matter). Just a wild guess here but: I don’t think the Ryan pick was to convince strong union voters to switch sides and vote Republican.
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I would agree. Given the Republican platform on organized labor, it is highly unlikely many labor-leaning democrats would be willing to switch sides.
 
He_Man said:
If Romney was courting the union-vote or you, this might matter. You were never considering Romney anyway, so you’re no loss.
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You are correct; once Romney was declared the de facto candidate for President any possibility of me voting republican evaporated. If republican such as Peter King was the party nominee, then a possibility would exist.

Since I was never considering Romney anyway, the republican loss is the Democrats gain.
 
CMatt25 said:
LOL :rotfl: Oh swell. So after basically the entire Republican Party embraced the Ryan budget now he and Romney are going to come up with another plan. :rolleyes: How convenient. Perfect timing. And just what America needs.

Americans already wonder which Romney would show up if elected. And now they’ll have the same with Paul Ryan. Will the real Paul Ryan please stand up will be the question as it already is with Romney. Now they’ll have to worry which version of both of these guys would actually appear when it matters. 🤷 And surely they know Obama’s Medicare cuts were more towards Medicare Advantage private programs and doctors. Not so much to the beneficiaries or future beneficiaries. And that most beneficiaries are not on the Advantage plans.

I’m not going to be buying into the new “make Paul Ryan’s budget look kinder and gentler” version. I’m pretty sure they’d be beholden to the Tea Party and far right extreme wing of their party in any first term if they wanted to get a 2nd. I only need to look to see how beholden Romney has tried to be to them thus far.
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You have hit on the crux of the issue bothering me. I’ve given up trying to see where Romney’s stances coincide with mine - I can’t seem to even figure out what they are. When asked a question, if he answers it he either does so in a way that his response could be interpreted as anything any of his likely supporters espouse OR he leaves me scratching my head as to what he just said. Survival to election day seems to be the goal, then we’ll see what’s on the etch-a-sketch. The debates should prove very interesting…
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Twisting scriptures to support a political view isn’t right, in my opinion. You have, however, shown the concern is more about personal wealth than sharing with others.

Please explain how a 60 or 70 year old person is slothful? Someone who has worked all their life and possibly had bad fortune that cost them their savings, possibly on a health problem. You generalize too much.

Not everyone has had the same opportunities in life. I hope I’m not arguing a point with someone who believes in the prosperity gospel, similar to what Joel Osteen preaches.
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It’s called “individualism” and it’s a secular cousin of the “prosperity gospel”. Check out this link from gnjsdad.
 
seekerz said:
You have hit on the crux of the issue bothering me. I’ve given up trying to see where Romney’s stances coincide with mine - I can’t seem to even figure out what they are. When asked a question, if he answers it he either does so in a way that his response could be interpreted as anything any of his likely supporters espouse OR he leaves me scratching my head as to what he just said. Survival to election day seems to be the goal, then we’ll see what’s on the etch-a-sketch. The debates should prove very interesting…
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Romney is not by first choice by any means. But,

Side by side:

Issue Romney Obama

Abortion no yes
Bigger Gov no yes
Homosexual issues no yes
Tax the people more no yes
Enable dependency no yes
Restrict religious freedom no yes
 
I have to say, I can’t believe he picked Ryan and no I don’t think he was the best pick. Now the Dems can just rerun all their old ads against the Ryan plan. I think Romney needed someone vocal, he needed his pitt bull since he is apparently too nice to do it himself. I have nothing against Ryan personally or politically ( off the top of my head) I just think that he and Romney are too similar personality wise and the ticket could use a little pizzaz to balance the staid Romney.

Hope I’m wrong and they win though.
 
buffalo said:
Romney is not by first choice by any means. But,

Side by side:

Issue Romney Obama

Abortion no yes
Bigger Gov no yes
Homosexual issues no yes
Tax the people more no yes
Enable dependency no yes
Restrict religious freedom no yes
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And you know this from listening to Mr Romney state his stand on issues? Hats off to you! I’m waiting for the real Mitt to stand up - minus the etch-a-sketch of course…
 
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