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Catholic Bishops Slam Ryan Plan

By Kelly Thomas - Posted on 18 April 2012

As a Catholic woman who has been rather disappointed and confused by outdated and illogical church leadership and positions over time, I think the Bishops got this one right. They pretty much blasted the Ryan budget as going against the teachings of the Bible.

WASHINGTON—As Congress began working on the FY 2013 budget and spending bills this week, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) wrote several letters that repeated and reinforced the bishops’ ongoing call to create a “circle of protection” around poor and vulnerable people and programs that meet their basic needs and protect their lives and dignity. The bishops’ message calls on Congress and the Administration to protect essential help for poor families and vulnerable children and to put the poor first in budget priorities. The bishops’ letters oppose measures that reduce resources for essential safety net programs.

In the letters, Bishops Stephen E. Blaire of Stockton, California, and Richard E. Pates of Des Moines, Iowa, chairmen of the Committees on Domestic Justice and Human Development and International Justice and Peace, respectively, urged Congress to resist proposed cuts in hunger and nutrition programs at home and abroad saying that “a just spending bill cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor and vulnerable persons.”

On April 4, Bishop Blaire cautioned that “at a time when the need for assistance from [affordable housing] programs is growing, cutting funds for them could cause thousands of individuals and families to lose their housing and worsen the hardship of thousands more in need of affordable housing.” He also reminded Congress that the Catholic community is one of the largest private, nonprofit providers of affordable housing in the country and is deeply involved in meeting the health housing and nutrition needs of families across the nation.

Bishops Blaire and Pates reaffirmed the “moral criteria to guide these difficult budget decisions” outlined in their March 6 budget letter:
 
bellasbane said:
You talk about the KKK, what about Republican immigration and voter intimidation policies? What are they if not an attack on Catholic Hispanics who overwhelmingly support Obama?

We’ve seen such attacks before on the Irish and Italians - now its the Hispanics. The only difference is that too many white Catholics have forgotten their own history and have joined in the persecution.
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You mean like this:

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soma said:
A History Of Paul Ryan’s Attempts To Dismantle Social Security

By Travis Waldron on Jul 30, 2012 at 4:50 pm

That House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) supports the privatization of Social Security is well known. Ryan proposed $1.2 trillion in cuts and the partial privatization of Social Security upon taking control of the Budget Committee in 2011, and he has constantly warned about the supposed doom facing the program if major reforms aren’t enacted immediately.

But Ryan’s attempts to gut the most popular entitlement program in America go back quite a few years, as Ryan Lizza’s New Yorker profile of the conservative hero makes clear. Ryan’s fight against Social Security has been ongoing since he pushed President George W. Bush to privatize the program in 2005:
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thinkprogress???

Vs

The Congressional Budget Office:
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has conducted a long-term analysis of a budget proposal by Chairman Ryan to substantially change federal payments under the Medicare and Medicaid programs, eliminate the subsidies to be provided through new insurance exchanges under last year’s major health care legislation, leave Social Security as it would be under current law, and set paths for all other federal spending (excluding interest) and federal tax revenues at specified growth rates or percentages of gross domestic product (GDP). The results of that analysis are summarized in this document…
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cbo.gov/publication/22085
The proposal would also make changes to other aspects of the federal budget. Social
Security would not be altered by the proposal; spending on that program is projected
to be relatively stable as a share of GDP from 2030 forward.
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cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-ryan_letter.pdf

Which do you put more stock in, one of the few bipartisan economic commissions in our government, or a far left blog site??

🤷
 
soma said:
Catholic Bishops Slam Ryan Plan

By Kelly Thomas - Posted on 18 April 2012

As a Catholic woman who has been rather disappointed and confused by outdated and illogical church leadership and positions over time, I think the Bishops got this one right. They pretty much blasted the Ryan budget as going against the teachings of the Bible.

WASHINGTON—As Congress began working on the FY 2013 budget and spending bills this week, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) wrote several letters that repeated and reinforced the bishops’ ongoing call to create a “circle of protection” around poor and vulnerable people and programs that meet their basic needs and protect their lives and dignity. The bishops’ message calls on Congress and the Administration to protect essential help for poor families and vulnerable children and to put the poor first in budget priorities. The bishops’ letters oppose measures that reduce resources for essential safety net programs.

In the letters, Bishops Stephen E. Blaire of Stockton, California, and Richard E. Pates of Des Moines, Iowa, chairmen of the Committees on Domestic Justice and Human Development and International Justice and Peace, respectively, urged Congress to resist proposed cuts in hunger and nutrition programs at home and abroad saying that “a just spending bill cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor and vulnerable persons.”

On April 4, Bishop Blaire cautioned that “at a time when the need for assistance from [affordable housing] programs is growing, cutting funds for them could cause thousands of individuals and families to lose their housing and worsen the hardship of thousands more in need of affordable housing.” He also reminded Congress that the Catholic community is one of the largest private, nonprofit providers of affordable housing in the country and is deeply involved in meeting the health housing and nutrition needs of families across the nation.

Bishops Blaire and Pates reaffirmed the “moral criteria to guide these difficult budget decisions” outlined in their March 6 budget letter:
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I already posted the retraction from the USCCB stating this did NOT represent the opinion of the USCCB.
 
bellasbane said:
You talk about the KKK, what about Republican immigration and voter intimidation policies? What are they if not an attack on Catholic Hispanics who overwhelmingly support Obama?

We’ve seen such attacks before on the Irish and Italians - now its the Hispanics. The only difference is that too many white Catholics have forgotten their own history and have joined in the persecution.
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I don’t think anyone here has complained about legal immigrants. However, wanting immigration laws to be enforced does not make one anti-immigrant.
 
soma said:
Catholic Bishops Slam Ryan Plan

By Kelly Thomas - Posted on 18 April 2012

As a Catholic woman who has been rather disappointed and confused by outdated and illogical church leadership and positions over time, …
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Weren’t we previously talking about the poorly catechised in this thread??

:whistle:
 
pete_29 said:
It’s worse now, isn’t it? 🤷
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It is worse, but then again we have a republican house that keeps passing budget busting continuing resolutions. While Obama has clearly failed to lead, we haven’t had real leadership on the budget for a very long time.
 
estesbob said:
What happens is a lot of people come here and are, for the first time, are exposed to what the Church actually teaches. We give them direct quotes from the Vatican and Member of the Magestrium and they suddenly realize they can not reconcile their politics with what the Church actually teaches. Some. like myself some 30 years ago, change their political allegiances. Some leave the Church.
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And we should continue to pray for them!
 
soma said:
Paul Ryan is anit-Catholic because he’d kill Medicare. He’d replace Medicare with vouchers for retirees to purchase insurance, eliminating the guarantee of health care for seniors and putting them at the mercy of the private insurance industry. That could amount to a cost increase of more than $5,900 by 2050, leaving many seniors broke or without the health care they need. He’d also raise the age of eligibility to 67. Catholics want to help the poor. Obama is assisting the middle class, the working class and the poor so he is following Jesus and his teachings.
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Some of these are lies. And the eligability requirments may need to be raised because people are living longer. Or else the system will go bankrupt - and no one will get benefits.
 
soma said:
The Bishop said the quotes. The quotes are the words of our Catholic Bishops.
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As was pointed out earlier, there were TWO (out of how many?) Bishops who opposed the plan.

How many Bishops oppose the HHS mandate?
 
He_Man said:
If you are going to make stuff up, at least use arguments that are correct. Ryan’s plan attempts to fix Medicare, not dismantle social security. Sheesh.
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How does killing Medicare “fix” it?

George Bush wanted to privatize social security - remember that? If he had succeed, can you imagine what would have happened to all those seniors when the stock market tanked? Historically, seniors are the one group that always suffers the most during times of economic depression, but not this time. That’s because the Democrats protected social security and medicare from the ravages of the free market.

No way can we let these programs fall into the hands of private insurance companies or Wall Street investors. I don’t have the resources to pay my mother’s health care costs - and my children won’t have the resources to pay for mine either. The Romney/Ryan plan for medicare and social security will devastate the middle class - but they are both rich men, so what do they care?
 
The whole Bishop’s conference is against it.

“It’s immoral!” the 81-year-old Catholic nun said of the Wisconsin Republican’s fiscal plan, as the crowd gathered on Capitol Hill erupted in cheers. Another nun, Sister Simone Campbell, denounced the proposed cuts to food stamps, child care, and other programs for the needy. “That’s not Christian,” said Campbell, who leads a Catholic social justice lobby called NETWORK. Campbell reminded her supporters of the Bible’s teachings on charity and compassion—but threw in a dash of realism as well. “Sisters don’t just do it with grace,” she explained. “For heaven’s sake, we need money!”
washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/02/paul-ryan-vs-catholic-nuns-on-a-bus/

Ryan has been under a steady hail of criticism from Catholic groups over his budget. The U.S. Conference of Bishops similarly denounced his spending plan in the spring, arguing that it “fails to meet” the moral principles of the Catholic Church
 
soma said:
The whole Bishop’s conference is against it.

“It’s immoral!” the 81-year-old Catholic nun said of the Wisconsin Republican’s fiscal plan, as the crowd gathered on Capitol Hill erupted in cheers. Another nun, Sister Simone Campbell, denounced the proposed cuts to food stamps, child care, and other programs for the needy. “That’s not Christian,” said Campbell, who leads a Catholic social justice lobby called NETWORK. Campbell reminded her supporters of the Bible’s teachings on charity and compassion—but threw in a dash of realism as well. “Sisters don’t just do it with grace,” she explained. “For heaven’s sake, we need money!”
washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/02/paul-ryan-vs-catholic-nuns-on-a-bus/

Ryan has been under a steady hail of criticism from Catholic groups over his budget. The U.S. Conference of Bishops similarly denounced his spending plan in the spring, arguing that it “fails to meet” the moral principles of the Catholic Church
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No, they are not.

(ps, a nun is not part of “The whole Bishop’s conference”.
 
soma said:
The whole Bishop’s conference is against it.

“It’s immoral!” the 81-year-old Catholic nun said of the Wisconsin Republican’s fiscal plan, as the crowd gathered on Capitol Hill erupted in cheers. Another nun, Sister Simone Campbell, denounced the proposed cuts to food stamps, child care, and other programs for the needy. “That’s not Christian,” said Campbell, who leads a Catholic social justice lobby called NETWORK. Campbell reminded her supporters of the Bible’s teachings on charity and compassion—but threw in a dash of realism as well. “Sisters don’t just do it with grace,” she explained. “For heaven’s sake, we need money!”
washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/02/paul-ryan-vs-catholic-nuns-on-a-bus/

Ryan has been under a steady hail of criticism from Catholic groups over his budget. The U.S. Conference of Bishops similarly denounced his spending plan in the spring, arguing that it “fails to meet” the moral principles of the Catholic Church
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No they haven’t. Have you actually read what the Bishops have wrote?
 
estesbob said:
What happens is a lot of people come here and are, for the first time, are exposed to what the Church actually teaches. We give them direct quotes from the Vatican and Member of the Magestrium and they suddenly realize they can not reconcile their politics with what the Church actually teaches. Some. like myself some 30 years ago, change their political allegiances. Some leave the Church.
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Yes. I changed my politics, as well. I was confronted with the truth by a fellow Catholic (not through the forum) and found that my pro-choice, pro-“gay marriage,” etcetera beliefs and political stances were not reconcilable with what the Church teaches. I dug in, so I could understand the Church’s teaching because I believe in following God, not Robert.
 
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