Paul Ryan!!

[_Abyssinia]

First of all about 75% of Medicare beneficiaries are not even enrolled in these “Medicare Advantage” private insurance programs. Only approximately 25% are nationwide. But nevertheless the truth about how Obama cuts Medicare can be found in the link I’ve provided below. There’s a chart and everything for you Abyssinia.

“The majority of the cuts, as you can see in this chart below, come from reductions in how much Medicare reimburses hospitals and private health insurance companies.”

“The average Medicare Advantage per-patient cost was 117 percent of regular fee-for-service. The Affordable Care Act gives those private plans a haircut and tethers reimbursement levels to the quality of care administered, and patient satisfaction.”

“Another big chunk comes from the hospitals. The health law changed how Medicare calculates what they get reimbursed for various services, slightly lowering their rates over time. **Hospitals agreed to these cuts **because they knew, at the same time, they would likely see an influx of paying patients with the Affordable Care Act’s insurance expansion.”

It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to.

Finally with all the criticism on this forum and in other Republican circles on the way Obama cuts Medicare, I found it interesting the last sentence in this analysis states even Paul Ryan keeps the Obama cuts in place.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-right-obamacare-cuts-medicare-by-716-billion-heres-how/

Accountable Care Organisations will be created in ObamaTax. Doctors and hospitals running them. Many elderly who with out ObamaTax can choose a physician might find themselves under the Accountable Care Organisations with a physician who might not want them to use a specialist they would of otherwise used because of financial incentive

24% are 14 million who will be impacted my medicare advantage cuts

Because ObamaTax reduces payment to medicare advantage plans that will force insurers to withdraw plans from some markets, cut back extra benefits to the elderly or in some rural places these cuts might force beneficiaries with no option but the traditional program because cuts may force all existing medicare advantage program out

Enacted in 2003 medicare drug benefit provides insurance coverage for each year below $2700 and above $6154. Gap between the 2 is called donut hole. ObamaTax increases the $2700 limit

Because of ObamaTax many elderly will end up using higher cost products with no major change in the quality of care because the CBO has said the increasing of the limit in ObamaTax will raise per prescription costs

 

[bellasbane]

No, he is not being truthful. He is lying The GOP is spinning a lie long enough that it has become fact This has already been debunked the $716 billion dollar cut as outline in OMB report, was not cutting payments to medicare recipients but for future growth reduction to medical PROVIDERS and the results in saving would allow more people to be covered. You probably prefer the voucher system where senior citizens on $1400 SS will get a $6000 voucher to buy health insurance which will cost $16,000. Good luck on that one.

Even Paul Ryan doesn’t know how it will are work out. Watch how a CNN and a Fox news Reporter rip into Romeny’s chief campaign adviser and Paul Ryan as well

John Sununu bit off more than he can chew when he started ranting at CNN’s Soledad O’Brien Tuesday afternoon. In a rare display of journalistic back bone in the face of right-wing accusations of liberal bias, O’Brien essentially told a conservative bully to take his propaganda and stuff it.
CNN Host Crushes Lying Romney Surrogate (VIDEO)**

Pawlenty suggests that Soledad O’Brien doesn’t understand English**
rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/15/pawlenty-suggests-that-soledad-obrien-doesnt-understand-english/

**
Last night, newly ensconced Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan sat down for his first solo interview with Fox News’ Brit Hume and let slip an admission about Mitt Romney’s budget plan – an admission that’s receiving surprisingly little press attention. Asked by Hume when the Romney plan would balance the budget, Ryan said he didn’t know because “we haven’t run the numbers on that specific plan.”**

"We Haven’t Run The Numbers:" A Startling Ryan Admission That’s Getting Little Attention

I’m neither Left nor Right, GOP or Democrat. I’m an Independent applying Catholic/Christian principles to an immoral world

Seems like we are getting close to a “Have you no sense of decency [Senator]” moment.

Frankly it is about time.

 

[_Abyssinia]

First of all about 75% of Medicare beneficiaries are not even enrolled in these “Medicare Advantage” private insurance programs. Only approximately 25% are nationwide. But nevertheless the truth about how Obama cuts Medicare can be found in the link I’ve provided below. There’s a chart and everything for you Abyssinia.

“The majority of the cuts, as you can see in this chart below, come from reductions in how much Medicare reimburses hospitals and private health insurance companies.”

“The average Medicare Advantage per-patient cost was 117 percent of regular fee-for-service. The Affordable Care Act gives those private plans a haircut and tethers reimbursement levels to the quality of care administered, and patient satisfaction.”

“Another big chunk comes from the hospitals. The health law changed how Medicare calculates what they get reimbursed for various services, slightly lowering their rates over time. **Hospitals agreed to these cuts **because they knew, at the same time, they would likely see an influx of paying patients with the Affordable Care Act’s insurance expansion.”

"It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to."

Finally with all the criticism on this forum and in other Republican circles on the way Obama cuts Medicare, I found it interesting the last sentence in this analysis states even Paul Ryan keeps the Obama cuts in place.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-right-obamacare-cuts-medicare-by-716-billion-heres-how/

Accountable Care Organisations will be created in ObamaTax. Doctors and hospitals running them. Many elderly who with out ObamaTax can choose a physician might find themselves under the Accountable Care Organisations with a physician who might not want them to use a specialist they would of otherwise used because of financial incentive

24% are 14 million who will be impacted my medicare advantage cuts

Because ObamaTax reduces payment to medicare advantage plans that will force insurers to withdraw plans from some markets, cut back extra benefits to the elderly or in some rural places these cuts might force beneficiaries with no option but the traditional program because cuts may force all existing medicare advantage program out

Enacted in 2003 medicare drug benefit provides insurance coverage for each year below $2700 and above $6154. Gap between the 2 is called donut hole. ObamaTax increases the $2700 limit

Because of ObamaTax many elderly will end up using higher cost products with no major change in the quality of care because the CBO has said the increasing of the limit in ObamaTax will raise per prescription costs

Small details left out of the WA article

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Seems like we are getting close to a “Have you no sense of decency [Senator]” moment.

Frankly it is about time.

Solidad O’Brian to (blank) to take their (blank) propaganda and stuff it.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Senator Sununu should have said “Ditto”.

 

[LisaA]

“Another big chunk comes from the hospitals. The health law changed how Medicare calculates what they get reimbursed for various services, slightly lowering their rates over time. **Hospitals agreed to these cuts **because they knew, at the same time, they would likely see an influx of paying patients with the Affordable Care Act’s insurance expansion.”

]"It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to."

Finally with all the criticism on this forum and in other Republican circles on the way Obama cuts Medicare, I found it interesting the last sentence in this analysis states even Paul Ryan keeps the Obama cuts in place.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-right-obamacare-cuts-medicare-by-716-billion-heres-how/

Matt you don’t understand the difference between having a nice booklet that says what you are eligible for under Obamacare and ACTUALLY GETTING CARE.

Did you not read the many reports that state doctors already take a beating on Medicare patients. Obamacare is going to reduce what they receive, restrict their ability to care for their patients and make them subject to the oversight of the IPAB which cannot be appealed.

How many doctors will take Medicare patients after Obamacare is already implemented? You can have a nice shiny insurance card but it doesn’t have a medical degree. Seniors are already complaining that they aren’t able to see a doctor just in anticipation of Obamacare. Wait until it’s fully implemented (my hope of course that Romney will be elected and that disaster will be repealed)

Lisa

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Matt you don’t understand the difference between having a nice booklet that says what you are eligible for under Obamacare and ACTUALLY GETTING CARE.

Did you not read the many reports that state doctors already take a beating on Medicare patients. Obamacare is going to reduce what they receive, restrict their ability to care for their patients and make them subject to the oversight of the IPAB which cannot be appealed.

How many doctors will take Medicare patients after Obamacare is already implemented? You can have a nice shiny insurance card but it doesn’t have a medical degree. Seniors are already complaining that they aren’t able to see a doctor just in anticipation of Obamacare. Wait until it’s fully implemented (my hope of course that Romney will be elected and that disaster will be repealed)

Lisa

Those greedy doctors get paid too much!

 

[CMatt25]

Wow, all that from one brief reference to unions.

I really don’t understand what motivated you to go to all the trouble - big bright colors and all. Are you disputing my assertion that what the Bishops say about unions is spot on with respect to traditional Catholic economic theory? Because that’s all I actually say.

I have an idea, why don’t you list the facts I actually got wrong, as opposed to those you imagine I got wrong, but really just made up yourself. That would be far more instructive for everyone and may even move this discussion forward in a constructive manner.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Fact-Checking the Obama Campaign’s Defense of its $716 Billion Cut to Medicare

forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/16/fact-checking-the-obama-campaigns-defense-of-its-716-billion-cut-to-medicare

 

[_Abyssinia]

Romney holds press conference, uses whiteboard to explain Medicare

therightscoop.com/romney-holds-press-conference-uses-whiteboard-to-explain-medicare

 

[bellasbane]

Solidad O’Brian to (blank) to take their (blank) propaganda and stuff it.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Senator Sununu should have said “Ditto”.

Sununu got better treatment than he deserved. Republicans never shut up during an interview - but go on and on getting in all their talking points and digs on Obama and taking all the air out of a room. Sometimes I wish the moderator would just say - OK, that’s all the time we have for you and shut off their microphones.

I saw Chris Matthews once cut away from a GOP surrogate because she refused to answer his question even after he asked her three times to stay on topic.

The Ryan plan includes the same cuts Obama made to Medicare and most Republicans in the house and senate voted in favor of it. What can that possibly mean with respect to whether these cuts are justified or not? Do Republicans favor them or do they oppose them? If they oppose them, then why did they vote for them in the first place?

Romney claims he doesn’t support the Obama cuts, so what does that mean for Ryan’s plan? Do Romney’s attacks on Obama extend to Ryan as well? If not, how does he justify the double standard? Is it wrong when Obama does it, but not when Ryan does the exact same thing? If that is not hypocrisy, then I don’t know what is.

I can’t afford to pay my mother’s medical bills and my kids won’t be able to afford to pay mine. The voucher program won’t work - it is as simple as that.

 

[scipio337]

Seems like we are getting close to a “Have you no sense of decency [Senator]” moment.

Frankly it is about time.

I’m not sure what you mean by that. O’brien reveals herself to be deeply partisan.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9657218&postcount=1627

 

[Elizabeth502]

Wow, all that from one brief reference to unions.

And wow. All that from you in multiple postings about the social teaching of the Church is supposedly not being addressed by Ryan, an assertion of yours which of course has no basis in fact, when you read what the official Catholic positions are, not what you make them up to be, not what you distort Catholic teaching to be, not what you distort the positions of others (people on this thread + politicans and parties) to be.

I really don’t understand what motivated you to go to all the trouble - big bright colors and all. Are you disputing my assertion that what the Bishops say about unions is spot on with respect to traditional Catholic economic theory?

I’m disputing that Catholic positions are what you imply they are by your broad and unresearched statements. Sometimes it’s necessary to dispute in bold what others illegitimately assert as fact.

I have an idea, why don’t you list the facts I actually got wrong, as opposed to those you imagine I got wrong,

I have a better idea: Learn your faith. Not your “private research” which disputes what that faith actually says, but the doctrines in black and white, and then no one will need to highlight in red for you what those doctrines do and do not say. Especially about intrinsic evils versus economic principles.

The social doctrine of your Church does not represent unions per se as absolute goods, to be considered on the same level as Life issues. (It does, however, represent the acknowledged promotion, by politicians, of certain policies – such as abortion, mandated contraception coverage, and homosexual “marriage” – as absolute evils.) The mandated social doctrine of the Church requires support for the dignity of work, period. As an aspect of that dignity, particular unions which do not oppose Church teaching nor abuse their members and their political status, are to be honored and protected. More importantly, every worker – including those workers who will never have an opportunity to join a union which for their position does not exist – is to be protected, and his work product and work value encouraged. That is much more, in the 21st century, a function of legislation and regulation, universally, than for unions which cover only certain trades and niches. Which is why the truly committed Catholic does not rely on “union” support as some proof of his or her Catholicity, particularly because the Church acknowledges that many unions are corrupt. These are general applications derived from all of the Church teachings, including recent ones, combined.

So for any voter or politiican not to support a particular union or a particular type of union activity is no indication of his or her fidelity to Catholic social doctrine. The “union card” doesn’t work any more. And it’s just really old to bring it up.

 

[CMatt25]

Those greedy doctors get paid too much!

It’s not as much a matter of whether they get paid too much. More it’s a matter of their priorities and what they went into medicine for in the first place. No one is forcing drs to care for the sick. Contrary to Lisa continuing to belittle me by thinking she can assume to know what I understand, I fully understand drs drop patients and choose not to care for them.

I pray however they all would care for Medicare patients if they’re in medicine for the right reason. Caring for the sick. But indeed it depends on how much money they want to make doing it and how rich they want to be. Some will continue to provide care even if it were at more cost to them. And others may not. It’s their choice. I suppose we could go to a Medicare for all type program or single payer on the order of something like other civilized countries have, Canada, and those in Europe, and they still have drs willing to care for the sick. Maybe that will make you and Lisa happy. It would me.

 

[bellasbane]

I’m not sure what you mean by that. O’brien reveals herself to be deeply partisan.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9657218&postcount=1627

How so? There is nothing wrong with asking a Romney surrogate to respond to allegations made in a TPM blog. What do you expect, the kind of pandering to Republicans that you see on Fox News?

 

[pete_29]

How so? There is nothing wrong with asking a Romney surrogate to respond to allegations made in a TPM blog. What do you expect, the kind of pandering to Republicans that you see on Fox News?

Which is just like the pandering to Democrats that you see on ALL THE OTHER NETWORKS!

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

It’s not as much a matter of whether they get paid too much. More it’s a matter of their priorities and what they went into medicine for in the first place. No one is forcing drs to care for the sick. Contrary to Lisa continuing to belittle me by thinking she can assume to know what I understand, I fully understand drs drop patients and choose not to care for them.

Another reason not mentioned here was the rising cost of malpractice insurance. A surgeon I know quit surgery for a number of reasons - including an increase in his annual malpractice premium of $35,000!

 

[scipio337]

How so? There is nothing wrong with asking a Romney surrogate to respond to allegations made in a TPM blog. What do you expect, the kind of pandering to Republicans that you see on Fox News?

By developing a line of questioning from a left-leaning blog? I’m sure it happens all the time regarding right-leaning ones.

No, wait…

I hope the irony of its title isn’t lost on you.

 

[mary_bobo]

Another reason not mentioned here was the rising cost of malpractice insurance. A surgeon I know quit surgery for a number of reasons - including an increase in his annual malpractice premium of $35,000!

That is true. Many OB/GYNs now only take gynecological patients. Insurance for OB is just over the top. If we had reasonable tort reform, it would help IMO. Unscrupulous lawyers have convinced people that medicine is a black and white science and should always have a certain outcome. It does not work that way.

 

[mary_bobo]

Sununu got better treatment than he deserved. Republicans never shut up during an interview - but go on and on getting in all their talking points and digs on Obama and taking all the air out of a room. Sometimes I wish the moderator would just say - OK, that’s all the time we have for you and shut off their microphones.

I saw Chris Matthews once cut away from a GOP surrogate because she refused to answer his question even after he asked her three times to stay on topic.

The Ryan plan includes the same cuts Obama made to Medicare and most Republicans in the house and senate voted in favor of it. What can that possibly mean with respect to whether these cuts are justified or not? Do Republicans favor them or do they oppose them? If they oppose them, then why did they vote for them in the first place?

Romney claims he doesn’t support the Obama cuts, so what does that mean for Ryan’s plan? Do Romney’s attacks on Obama extend to Ryan as well? If not, how does he justify the double standard? Is it wrong when Obama does it, but not when Ryan does the exact same thing? If that is not hypocrisy, then I don’t know what is.

I can’t afford to pay my mother’s medical bills and my kids won’t be able to afford to pay mine. The voucher program won’t work - it is as simple as that.

In the Ryan plan, you don’t have to go on the voucher plan. That is just one option.

 

[CMatt25]

Sununu got better treatment than he deserved. Republicans never shut up during an interview - but go on and on getting in all their talking points and digs on Obama and taking all the air out of a room. Sometimes I wish the moderator would just say - OK, that’s all the time we have for you and shut off their microphones.

I saw Chris Matthews once cut away from a GOP surrogate because she refused to answer his question even after he asked her three times to stay on topic.

The Ryan plan includes the same cuts Obama made to Medicare and most Republicans in the house and senate voted in favor of it. What can that possibly mean with respect to whether these cuts are justified or not? Do Republicans favor them or do they oppose them? If they oppose them, then why did they vote for them in the first place?

Romney claims he doesn’t support the Obama cuts, so what does that mean for Ryan’s plan? Do Romney’s attacks on Obama extend to Ryan as well? If not, how does he justify the double standard? Is it wrong when Obama does it, but not when Ryan does the exact same thing? If that is not hypocrisy, then I don’t know what is.

I can’t afford to pay my mother’s medical bills and my kids won’t be able to afford to pay mine. The voucher program won’t work - it is as simple as that.

I guess Chris doesn’t call his show “Hardball” for nothing. I’ve seen him do that too. I don’t speak for Republicans but maybe Republicans favor them if it’s Ryan and oppose them if it’s Obama. I heard recently someone say maybe Obama should have proposed additional tax cuts on the wealthiest taxpayers among us so the Republicans could oppose tax cuts. It’s been their whole mantra since the day BHO became POTUS though. Oppose him on everything. Keep speaking truth on the Ryan budget Bellesbane.