Give me a page number and I’ll be happy to read that page. But a bishop acknowledging a claim doesn’t mean it is a fact anymore than him ignoring it means it is not a fact.These are not just allegations. These are substantiated in official diocesan documents which appear in the report, if you would bother to read it. It is well documented that diocesan staff and Church leadership at the level of bishop were aware of child abuse and covered it up.
That isn’t what grand juries do. Grand juries aren’t historical crime investigators. I mean do they go back an investigate slavery so we won’t repeat mistakes? Of course not. The grand jury was misused.I missed this, sorry. The answer is that so we can learn from the mistakes of the past and make changes to make sure that institutional cover up of abuse never happens again.
Good point, especially yes, why look into things that are past the statute of limitations. I am sure they are not doing this to other religions, mostly because they know where to attack to create harm and it is not other religions. We have a protestant church in our neighborhood that had a sex abuse scandal, happening in the childrens church. Quite a few youth were abused. Barely made the local news.Why is a grand jury investigating and then issuing a report about allegations of crimes that are well past their statute of limitations? There can’t be a trial to determine truth. So all this does is make the Church look bad. They can include any salacious claim in this report with no accountability.
A grand jury looks at evidence to see if there is something worth taking to criminal trial, and they did find cases within the statute of limitations. They included the accusations from before the statute of limitations because they needed to show the scale of the problem. They then recommend policies to discourage cover-ups and the kind of mendacity that occurred in these dioceses, as in so many others on a global scale.That isn’t what grand juries do. Grand juries aren’t historical crime investigators. I mean do they go back an investigate slavery so we won’t repeat mistakes? Of course not. The grand jury was misused.
In terms of prosecution, 50 years is a really long time. Prosecutors have difficulty prosecuting 50-year-old murder cases for which there is no statute of limitations. Unless there is DNA evidence, it’s extremely hard.a scant 50 years ago.
This is wrong, if you read the lists on the diocesan websites. I just did, and made an Excel spreadsheet with a rough count across all dioceses. (Some of the dioceses included seminarians, visiting priests, members of religious orders, and deacons.)Most of the abusive clergy have not been removed from ministry or defrocked
I hope you do not mean you are leaving the Church. Leaving the Church would be leaving Jesus, just as they did when He was arrested. He is still in the tabernacle and He needs us there by His side, just like the women were at His side at the cross.Thank you for this . I am quitting this! And have no longer any affiliation with RCC thankfully.
They needed to show the scale of something they can’t charge and can’t be tried? That is why I said this is a witch hunt. If they limited their report to charges that can be brought then I’d have no problem.A grand jury looks at evidence to see if there is something worth taking to criminal trial, and they did find cases within the statute of limitations. They included the accusations from before the statute of limitations because they needed to show the scale of the problem. They then recommend policies to discourage cover-ups and the kind of mendacity that occurred in these dioceses, as in so many others on a global scale.
You aren’t paying attention. I know that goes on. I know it was covered up. I didn’t need this report to tell me that. This report added nothing but salacious accusations. Some may be true. But the grand jury doesn’t exist to level salacious accusations.I know that its very hard for you to accept that these priests were raping children and other priests who were not knew about it and were complicit in the actions of others, but please take the time to pray, think, and come to an understanding that once you acknowledge and accept the atrocities that have happened the sooner that the Church can move forward. People like you who prefer to dig their heads in the sand and ignore what’s happened, or even deny it, are exactly why so many are in such pain today.
Where have I defended them? Just because this is a hatchet job doesn’t mean I approve of abuse or hiding and moving around abusers.The priests were far worse then witches. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. And you still defend them and the church? This was no hatchet job. Simple truth, and so little thought for the victims, like here in Ireland. Jesus said no one is good but God.
I realize you were not talking to me in this post but I know as far as I am concerned these things happened. There is no denying it and something needs to be done so we can move forward. Having said that I also know from life’s experience that there are always two sides to every story. I am not saying the priests and bishops are innocent in this report in any way, but there could be some who are and it could be some of the deceased and they have no way to defend themselves. Their names are just blackened without any defense.I know that its very hard for you to accept that these priests were raping children and other priests who were not knew about it and were complicit in the actions of others, but please take the time to pray, think, and come to an understanding that once you acknowledge and accept the atrocities that have happened the sooner that the Church can move forward. People like you who prefer to dig their heads in the sand and ignore what’s happened, or even deny it, are exactly why so many are in such pain today.
No, it’s about Mr. State AG wants to make a name for himself. Next he’ll be running for governor. (And might be a better pick than the loser who’s in there now)This report isn’t about getting at the truth. It is about smearing the Church.