Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report on Catholic sex abuse released

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Yes, that’s true, but the Church will pay if you can hold them responsible. It has insurance and is not “judgment proof”. These suits have been quite successful recently, as shown by the large amounts paid out, including settlement amounts.

Now if you are suing some non-clergy abuser, like some drunk unemployed neighbor or relative of yours…then that’s a problem because that person likely has no money.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
It has insurance and is not “judgment proof”
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According to some approved Catholic Prophecy I read, in the future, the religious will be destitute and forced to beg from their congregation. Apparently, times will only continue to get rougher.
 
This report makes criminal and civil victories, and large payouts all the more likely. This report will seep into the mind of many potential jurors.
 
I’m pretty sure the previous reports such as Philadelphia and Altoona-Johnstown already seeped, which is why now when a priest gets credibly accused with evidence he is on the front page of the local paper and in jail ASAP.
 
Did those make national news? I don’t recall them, but I may have just missed it.
 
Is there a released report with the details of the cases ?

The headline is that all the cases involved prepubescent children, but are the abuses mostly with teenagers and young priests ?

Not that either are wrong, but the dynamics gives us a better understanding of who these priest were, pedophiles, homosexuals or heterosexuals ?

Jim
 
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What is the proof?
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Read the report. There are letters sent between Bishops about these guys talking about their concerns about them. Once they have multiple complaints, they send them off to therapy, and/or to a Diocese in another state.
 
Give me an example. But even with that such letters surely don’t exist for every case? I imagine like many sets of allegations this contains both truth and error.
 
I agree that Cardinal Wuerl should resign, but I would not expect it to happen. He’s aggressively defending himself in the press and doesn’t seem like he has any intention of quitting. I also would not expect Pope Francis to remove him or force him to resign; Cdl. Wuerl is one of Pope Francis’ favorites and he holds him in high esteem. Theoretically he could accept Cdl. Wuerl’s resignation at any time (he is a few years past retirement age) but I think as long as the blowback from this doesn’t seep into Rome too much then he’s probably safe.

I’m not sure I would want to know who his replacement would be in Washington, honestly. There have been rumors that Bishop McElroy from San Diego was going to move to D.C. when Cdl. Wuerl leaves but I think they’re saving him for Philadelphia when Archbishop Chaput reaches retirement age next year.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but what is the background of the process that led to this? Could other states do the same thing?

(as difficult as it is to bear, this kind of reckoning is probably needed a lot of places.)
 
So? That is no excuse. There are no excuses Here in Ireland yet another Dublin priest has been stood down pending investigations. “Touch not pitch lest ye be defiled”
 
You obviously have not read the report. Airing this **** out is GOOD for the Church.

Or you know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand. That’s going to help us out just fine.
 
Genesis315 said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but what is the background of the process that led to this? Could other states do the same thing?

(as difficult as it is to bear, this kind of reckoning is probably needed a lot of places.)
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The state attorney general is driving this effort. The state AG pretty much has to be behind an effort like this because it takes years (2 years in this case) and costs the taxpayers a good bit of money, especially since they have now investigated 8 dioceses.

The state AG of Massachusetts did a similar investigation into the Archdiocese of Boston. New Hampshire also did an investigation in the Diocese of Manchester. I’m pretty sure there are other states where an investigation was done into at least one diocese. But it’s my understanding that Pennsylvania has been doing one of the most comprehensive investigations.

State AGs being politically motivated, they will do this stuff if the public wants it and they think it will make them look good and get them votes. In terms of actually finding cases to pursue, there likely won’t be many because of the statute of limitations, plus many of the perps have died or have one foot in the grave. So it’s mostly for publicity/ bringing information out into the light. And perhaps gathering information to shape the law and research in this area for the future.

So if you want to write to your state AG and tell him you want him to investigate this issue in your area, or find out if he already did, that’s one productive thing a citizen can do.
 
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Who said it was an excuse?

I’m not making an excuse, but simply putting forth the factual point that you cannot punish a man who is dead, as the post to which I referred was calling for punishment for the abusive priests. And that to the extent people are calling for these priests to be laicized, many of the surviving ones already are.

Most of the news stories about this are just reporting the total number of abusive priests and not pointing out that a lot of them are no longer walking the earth. You have to actually read the report or read the Diocesan websites with the full unredacted lists of names to get the clear picture.

It would be nice if I were able to post factual information on here without people somehow reading a meaning into it, but I guess that’s the nature of Internet forums.
 
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