People not wanting babies

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Look, the Church is not harmed by infertility. It is harmed by contraception.
 
I’m not arguing in favor of contraception. I’m just saying you can’t assume that you know everything going on in a person’s life based on a single statement. Sometimes compassion goes a lot further than condemnation, wailing, and gnashing of teeth.
 
I see where we got our wires crossed. I’m not saying that people should be able to contracept. I’m saying that just because you are talking to someone who says that they don’t want kids doesn’t mean a) that they contracept or b) that they actually really don’t want kids.

I was thinking in terms of the original post and what we should do when people say they don’t want kids. There conversation probably spun off from there and you were responding to a different train of thought. I apologize for jumping the gun there.
 
Did u read the OP’s description of what they are talking about?

It is more than a simple statement. Its rant and complaining, and “planning” 5 yrs without conception.
 
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I did read the OP. I replied pretty early on. That was a single example the OP gave while complaining about most of his peers. And all I see in the op is a simple statement.

Now that you mention it, that example isn’t even saying “I never want a horrible, nasty child” but “I’m going to wait 5 years before having a kid because some of the stuff they do grosses me out”. Poop grosses me out too.
 
Yes, if a child is reduced to their unpleasantries, then that’s a sad point of view.

I’ve changed hundreds of diapers! It’s part of parenting. The good FAR outweighs the unpleasant times.

“Waiting” 5 yrs because of gross diapers is not why the Church respects “spacing pregnancy” through NFP.
 
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I see where we got our wires crossed. I’m not saying that people should be able to contracept. I’m saying that just because you are talking to someone who says that they don’t want kids doesn’t mean a) that they contracept or b) that they actually really don’t want kids.

I was thinking in terms of the original post and what we should do when people say they don’t want kids. There conversation probably spun off from there and you were responding to a different train of thought. I apologize for jumping the gun there.
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It also occurs to me that “we don’t want children” or “we don’t want children yet” may actually mean “my spouse doesn’t want children/doesn’t want children yet” but the speaker doesn’t wish to throw their spouse under the bus.

There are a lot of cases where one spouse is ready and willing but the other isn’t.
 
Oh, yes… lots of those cases in our Church! 😦

Is that not harmful to the Church?
 
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Sorry!

I mean that aside from the religious issues, it’s bad for a marriage when a couple has a long-running disagreement about an issue as fundamental as whether or not to have children or when to have children.

It just doesn’t get more basic than that.
 
Yes, I agree very much!

Yet, that problem isnt aside from the Catholic religion either. Discord and faction is criticized.

Scripture calls us to reconcile with one mind and judgment in several places.
 
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