Perhaps my time here is over

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I am SOOOO sorry if you have had a bad experience here! I am a Catholic, and will faithfully argue with people about what they believe and what I believe, but I wouldn’t say that! That is awful! I pray that you realize not all Catholics are like that!
 
Jujujellybean said:
I am SOOOO sorry if you have had a bad experience here! I am a Catholic, and will faithfully argue with people about what they believe and what I believe, but I wouldn’t say that! That is awful! I pray that you realize not all Catholics are like that!
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I do realize that, I do! Don’t worry! 🙂
 
Lapell said:
If you’re speaking of HashemEchad, it’s “she”, not “he”! But thanks for your comment! God bless you! 👍
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Hmm … Judaism teaches that women are more spiritual than men, that’s why men need more commandments to help them focus on God. 👍
 
Brian_Millar said:
He’s trying to point out the “why” he commanded it, God doesn’t just make up funny rules that have no benifet to us, there is a good reason behind it.
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This kind of sums up the Jewish view. To those who think the commandments are a curse, please think harder.

The commandments are for the believer’s benefit since God, being infinite, does not need anything. Not all commandments have a “why” behind. When they don’t, it is called a chok but you know it is for your benefit 'cos of the underlying framework.
 
HashemEchad said:
You didn’t?! Which part?
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The one about the accusations of blood libel against the Christians by the Romans!
I read in a historical cartoon, though, that they were thought to drown toddlers (because they baptised toddlers as well as adults)…
 
CarolsDaughter said:
I am NOT challenging the Catholic belief system, as I have stated elsewhere here, I have DEFENDED the Catholic church to Jews, Protestants and even to bitter ex-Catholics, when I felt the church should be defended. I have had other Jews and some protestants give me strange looks at times, because I defended the Catholic church over certain historical issues (Galileo, the Inquisition) where I felt the church had been wronged.

I did not say anything about the Christian religion until AFTER some tried to proselytize me. I am in the same unfortunate situation as rabbis in the Middle Ages were…they were blatantly proselytized when they were minding their own business theologically, and in order to show WHY they cannot accept Christianity, they basically have to disprove Christianity, and then they are accused of trying to badmouth Christianity! Its a lose-lose situation .

If a Christian is going to try to compel me to accept their religious views, then they must also accept that I am more than able to explain why I don’t believe in Christianity, and they will just have to deal with the fallout from something THEY STARTED.
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CarolsDaughter, I had an oops in trying to cite your comments and offer a reply. On the point about rabbis in the Middle Ages who were accused of being anti-Christian when crafting theological reasons for not believing that Jesus was the Messiah, I for one would be interested in reading that. I am curious about it and indeed, I think it may help Catholics to see the viewpoint of Jews. Can you suggest a book?

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AliciaCL said:
CarolsDaughter, I had an oops in trying to cite your comments and offer a reply. On the point about rabbis in the Middle Ages who were accused of being anti-Christian when crafting theological reasons for not believing that Jesus was the Messiah, I for one would be interested in reading that. I am curious about it and indeed, I think it may help Catholics to see the viewpoint of Jews. Can you suggest a book?

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Hi Alicia! There are numerous books which discuss this and related issues, but one I have found especially good is:

“The Anguish of the Jews” by Fr. Edward Flannery (Paulist Press)

Fr Flannery goes into detail concerning what was known as the “disputations”, in which rabbis were ordered to appear at the local Catholic church, to engage in (reluctant) debates with Catholic priests and bishops, with each side endeavoring to “prove” the truths of their faith.
 
AliciaCL said:
On the point about rabbis in the Middle Ages who were accused of being anti-Christian when crafting theological reasons for not believing that Jesus was the Messiah, I for one would be interested in reading that. I am curious about it and indeed, I think it may help Catholics to see the viewpoint of Jews. Can you suggest a book?

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I read “Why the Jews Rejected Jesus” by David Klinghoffer. It is short and simple enough that you can finish over a weekend. 👍

beliefnet.com/story/162/story_16261_1.html
 
HashemEchad said:
Fr Flannery goes into detail concerning what was known as the “disputations”, in which rabbis were ordered to appear at the local Catholic church, to engage in (reluctant) debates with Catholic priests and bishops, with each side endeavoring to “prove” the truths of their faith.
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For those interested,

the most famous disputations were between rabbis and Jewish converts to Christianity during the middle age. I love the showdown between Nahmanides and Pablo Christiani! 😃
 
The Messiah will not come until all Jews are truly following the Torah God commanded us to follow. If they join pagan and other non-Jewish religions and stop keeping Torah, this will not happen.

If a Gentile TRULY loves the Jewish people as they often claim to, they will encourage all Jews to STAY JEWISH and keep Torah.

I disagree. The Messiah has come. To stick our heads in the sand and pretend otherwise would be totally against what Jesus has preached. If we speak the truth, why do you call us rude? If you feel threatened by the truth, it is time to reexamine what you believe.

" I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Revelation 3: 15-16
 
bcuster said:
I disagree. The Messiah has come. To stick our heads in the sand and pretend otherwise would be totally against what Jesus has preached. If we speak the truth, why do you call us rude? If you feel threatened by the truth, it is time to reexamine what you believe.
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It is the classical example of “heads I win, tails I still win”.

Christians claim that the Messiah will come again a second time.
 
He will, and do it boldly in a manner the likes of which will never be refruted. You will then look back and think, hmmmm… perhaps we should have taken note here and embraced him when he was here the first time to “forgive” our sins rather then atone for them. Adam and Eve tried their best to atone for theirs, yet they never re-entered the garden until his initial coming to this earth.

That’s my Christian perspective on the matter and stance, yet I can very much say, I do not ask you to forsake your faith, but to renew it and add onto it with the promise the messiah has gaciously offered for all, Jews or Gentiles alike.
 
From the beginning of the Christian religion, Christians have tried all sorts of inventive ways to convince our people to join their religion.

They have tried force/threats/expulsion/kidnapping of our children, and in more modern times, deception (seemingly justified by I Cor), love-bombing and the like.

None of it works for the vast majority of Jews.

This should tell Christians something.
 
I decided to have a look at the link suggested by Icemoon about David Klinghoffer’s interview with two journalists, one Jewish and the other Christian.
Then there was a title where Rabbi David Wolpe would say why Jews don’t believe in Jesus. A certainly informative interview it was. But then, he says something rather surprising: “Jesus was born in Rome.” Where did he take that? I assume he was not saying this metaphorically… Sounds a bit like those who say Jesus was in Cachemire!!
 
HashemEchad said:
From the beginning of the Christian religion, Christians have tried all sorts of inventive ways to convince our people to join their religion.
They have tried force/threats/expulsion/kidnapping of our children, and in more modern times, deception (seemingly justified by I Cor), love-bombing and the like.
None of it works for the vast majority of Jews.
This should tell Christians something.
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What it tells me is that those Christians thought that they could leave aside some of Jesus’ teachings, important ones, to make Jews Christians. They should have remained within the limits of proper evangelization. Some reproaches done by Jesus to the Pharisees and the scribes apparently also apply to those Christians!
 
HashemEchad said:
From the beginning of the Christian religion, Christians have tried all sorts of inventive ways to convince our people to join their religion.

They have tried force/threats/expulsion/kidnapping of our children, and in more modern times, deception (seemingly justified by I Cor), love-bombing and the like.

None of it works for the vast majority of Jews.

This should tell Christians something.
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So the Acts of the Apostles and the missionary activity of the first apostles{Jews} and disciples{Jews} is an historical inaccuracy?

From the beginning, in the middle, and, in the end, Christians will teach Christ for the forgiveness of sins and the promise eternal life. Those that stray from Christ do not change Christ.
 
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