PETA Supports Pope Benedict XVI

[CarolAnnSFO]

pnewton:

It makes as much sense as saying kicking rocks in the driveway can lead to kicking the family dog.

That may make no sense, but there is plenty of information around linking cruelty towards animals (torturing pets, for example) and later violence towards humans. There are also links between abuse of animals, and child abuse in the home.

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with eating meat, but we shouldn’t be so cavalier about needless meanness and violence towards pets, and other animals around our homes.

 

[James_2_24]

Richardols:

Sure. Just as we can count on seeing lots of pro-lifers turning up at PETA functions.

Why would pro-lifers show up at PETA functions? They are about protecting human life from conception until Natural Death. But what I think he was pointing out is that PETA said they believe animals lives are sacred just like human lives.

And by saying that, it would follow that they’d be present at function for the protection of human life as well.

He is pointing out the blantant contradiction within these “societies” many of them are so adamant about protecting the life of these creatures, but they are also pro-aborts… I know of a few myself

 

[CarolAnnSFO]

James_2:24:

He is pointing out the blantant contradiction within these “societies” many of them are so adamant about protecting the life of these creatures, but they are also pro-aborts… I know of a few myself

Perhaps, but why are people so quick to assume that just because someone cares about animal life, that he or she doesn’t care about human life? Can’t we care about both?

 

[James_2_24]

CarolAnnSFO:

Perhaps, but why are people so quick to assume that just because someone cares about animal life, that he or she doesn’t care about human life? Can’t we care about both?

We can care about both… but the point was, for example, is if I say:

"Protect Animals, their life is sacred just like human life!"

You would expect my organization to be at pro-life rallies too. Such is not the case, to the best of my knowledge, with PETA. In fact, too often the case is, many of its members are pro-aborts.

This is not to say that there are those involved in both…

 

[pnewton]

JKirkLVNV:

With respect, PNewton, animals are sentient beings as well. I think they probably also have dignity, as created beings, though not in proportion to ours, created in the Image of the Holy One.
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It may be we just have different views on what it means to be sentient. Animals are not self-actualizing beings. I have yet to meet an animal cleric or read any profound works by animals. The rest of this statement shows why we must not tolerate unneccesary animal cruelty. (“I think they probably also have dignity, as created beings”). Most of us agree with you here.

 

[pnewton]

CarolAnnSFO:

That may make no sense, but there is plenty of information around linking cruelty towards animals (torturing pets, for example) and later violence towards humans. There are also links between abuse of animals, and child abuse in the home.

You are correct. I remember some of that myself. Where many serial killers started with animal torture. These people are the exception, though. Most of us make the distinction between animal and human and do not cross between on and the other. I offer as evidence that most of us omnivors do not move on to axe murder.

I totally agree with what you, JKirk and others have said about the evil of animal cruelty. But both of you also recognize the differences. Did you notice the initial statement by romano?

"Once society is allowed to start treating, with abominable cruelty, any class perceived as being weak, it won’t be long before it extends that cruelty to other classes."

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Classes? Animals are now treated as a societal class? This is why I totally disregard the slippery slope arguement he gave as being totally unbalanced.

If treating animals with cruelty is wrong (and it is) because it reduces our humanity, how much worse does PETA and romano de-humanize us by putting us on the same level.

Next thing you know he’ll propose some crazy idea like a slippery slope from eating meat could lead to cannibalism.

 

[CarolAnnSFO]

pnewton:

It may be we just have different views on what it means to be sentient. Animals are not self-actualizing beings. I have yet to meet an animal cleric or read any profound works by animals.

Just curious here; would you consider a seriously brain-damaged person to be “sentient”? If not, should they have fewer rights than those who aren’t brain-damaged? I’m not saying animals are equal to humans; I’m just interested in the ways we draw the differences.

 

[pnewton]

CarolAnnSFO:

Just curious here; would you consider a seriously brain-damaged person to be “sentient”? If not, should they have fewer rights than those who aren’t brain-damaged? I’m not saying animals are equal to humans; I’m just interested in the ways we draw the differences.

Absolutely! I did not mean to give a dissertation on theological definitions, as I am far from learned on the subject ot neurophysiology. I even thought of another exception- infants. They have little awareness of their surroundings. So I look to the wisdom of my mother, the Church. Animals are not one the same plane as people. All humans from conception until natural death have this elusive trait called humanity and deserve a unique dignity.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

pnewton:

It may be we just have different views on what it means to be sentient. Animals are not self-actualizing beings. I have yet to meet an animal cleric or read any profound works by animals. The rest of this statement shows why we must not tolerate unneccesary animal cruelty. (“I think they probably also have dignity, as created beings”). Most of us agree with you here.

I thought sentient only meant “living and able to move” (excluding plants). I agree with you that they aren’t self-actualized (I mean, they haven’t got cell phones, so how could they be? ).

 

[catholic2]

Dj Roy Albert:

This point can also be found in the book of Exodus.

I hear-tell that from the time of Adam to the days following the flood of Noah that the Patriarchs were vegetarian. Can anybody confirm this?

Genesis 1:29-30*
“See, I give you every seed-bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food; and to all the animals of the land, all the birds of the air, and all the living creatures that crawl on the ground, I give all the green plants for food.”
*(There were no carnivores in the beginning.)

then: Genesis 9:3-5 Immediately after the flood scenario:
“Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants, Only flesh with its lifeblood still in it you shall not eat. For your own lifeblood, too, I will demand an accounting: from every animal I will demand it, and from man in regard to his fellow man I will demand an accounting for human life”.

(human beings became omnivores…note that animals are mentioned in that we should take care regarding their life blood. and incidentally this is where capital punishment was started)

Someone on this thread gave you wrong info, stating this (beging vegan in the beginning) was not in scripture. tnks

 

[jimmy]

Scott_Lafrance:

PWEETA supports him too.

People Who Enjoy Eating Tasty Animals.

I think they actually call themselves Peta too. I think their web address is something like peta.com, or something like that.

 

[romano]

pnewton:

. . . .I have yet to meet an animal cleric or read any profound works by animals.

Well, now, to me that just goes to show you don’t know much about animals. In fact they have a great deal to teach us. It just takes eyes to see it.

 

[romano]

CarolAnnSFO:

Perhaps, but why are people so quick to assume that just because someone cares about animal life, that he or she doesn’t care about human life? Can’t we care about both?

Hi Carol:

Finally a bit of sense. Thank you. I was beginning to give up hope. It’s nice to see someone who is not trying to make excuses.

Modern man has made the world into a hell for animals. And here are these guys actually trying to justify it? And pretending at the same time to be Christians? Oh brother! Talk about whited sepulchers.

 

[romano]

pnewton:

Did you notice the initial statement by romano?

"Once society is allowed to start treating, with abominable cruelty, any class perceived as being weak, it won’t be long before it extends that cruelty to other classes."

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Classes? Animals are now treated as a societal class?

No. As a logical CLASS. If that’s too tough for you to understand, substitute the word GROUP. And then get hold of a good dictionary and study the various meanings of the word CLASS. It has many.

 

[pnewton]

romano:

Hi Carol:

Finally a bit of sense. Thank you. I was beginning to give up hope. It’s nice to see someone who is not trying to make excuses.

Modern man has made the world into a hell for animals. And here are these guys actually trying to justify it? And pretending at the same time to be Christians? Oh brother! Talk about whited sepulchers.

As a sepulcher, let me say that I am not trying to justify anything, as much as find humor in it, because I find the equation of human to animals bizzarely hilarious.

For example, I mention animal clerics, and you respond that one just needs eyes to see what animals have to teach. In the back of my mind, I think, do we now need to consider offering the liturgy in Great Dane or penguin? Heck I couldn’t even lear Latin! If we deny the priesthood to women, should that be human women? What about a female Manx or maybe an armadillo? We can go on with PETA jokes all day. They are too easy a target.

I do not pretend to be a Christian, by the way. I am a Christian and a Catholic. The Catechism is quite clear that animals are not to have affection directed toward them that is only due to persons (human persons, that is). I obey the teaching of the church in this and do not inflict suffering on animals without need. I likewise am not unbalanced in my affection for them.

 

[romano]

Veal : A Cruel Meal

Here is a link, for anyone truly interested in this issue. The Veal industry is mostly grossly inhumane to these calves, which are male dairy calves, BTW.

Here is a photo of the conditions in which they are raised. The small quarters is to keep them from exersising, which makes the meat tender.

Hi WhiteDove:

Thanks for your effort, but frankly I think you are wasting your time. Most of the folks on this thread have eyes, but they do not see, ears, but they do not hear. They are too wrapped up in their own selfishness and self-indulgence and arrogance. They don’t care, because there is no love in them.

Give up enjoying a food that is the product of the most cruel system of animal-rearing ever devised? No way! They have chosen to overlook the discomfiting fact that God loves all of his creatures. And God is not mocked. So let me tell them something.

In eating factory-farm ‘meat’, my friends, you are eating your death. Apart from it being the product of the most diabolical cruelty, it is the filthiest, most polluted, most contaminated food humans have ever eaten. It is poison. And it will poison you.

Ever hear of cancer? Ever see a cancer patient? Smell their stink? Watch their eyes roll in agony as they experience the most exquisite pain? Ever wonder just what it is that is rotting your relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers, and those many other tens of thousands of cancer victims away from the inside? Did it never occur to you that it may be all the filth they have spent their lives eating?

You corpse eaters out there should check out the cancer ward of your local hospital. Because that’s where many of you are going to end up.

God will see to it. And his punishment may not stop there. . . .

 

[DustinsDad]

romano:

…In eating factory-farm ‘meat’, my friends, you are eating your death. Apart from it being the product of the most diabolical cruelty, it is the filthiest, most polluted, most contaminated food humans have ever eaten. It is poison. And it will poison you.

Ever hear of cancer? Ever see a cancer patient? Smell their stink? Watch their eyes roll in agony as they experience the most exquisite pain? Ever wonder just what it is that is rotting your relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers, and those many other tens of thousands of cancer victims away from the inside? Did it never occur to you that it may be all the filth they have spent their lives eating?

You corpse eaters out there should check out the cancer ward of your local hospital. Because that’s where many of you are going to end up.

God will see to it. And his punishment may not stop there. . . .

This almost relishing human suffering as some sort of Divine retribution is symptomatic of many in the animal “rights” crowd, and symptomatic of its diabolic aspects in my opinion. My brother I mentioned earlier has the same symptoms. Seemed almost to enjoy the TV coverage of 9-11 (serves 'em all right, those corpse eaters!).

DustinsDad

 

[fix]

pnewton:

likewise am not unbalanced in my affection for them.

Amen. Humans have immortal souls, animals have only a mortal soul. Have we all lost all sense of proportion? No one favors animal cruelty, but no one should think animals have any “rights” has God grants to humans.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

romano:

In eating factory-farm ‘meat’, my friends, you are eating your death. Apart from it being the product of the most diabolical cruelty, it is the filthiest, most polluted, most contaminated food humans have ever eaten. It is poison. And it will poison you.

Ever hear of cancer? Ever see a cancer patient? Smell their stink? Watch their eyes roll in agony as they experience the most exquisite pain? Ever wonder just what it is that is rotting your relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers, and those many other tens of thousands of cancer victims away from the inside? Did it never occur to you that it may be all the filth they have spent their lives eating?

You corpse eaters out there should check out the cancer ward of your local hospital. Because that’s where many of you are going to end up.

God will see to it. And his punishment may not stop there. . . .

Dude, you’re supposed to eat the carrots, not smoke them.

 

[fix]

romano:

You corpse eaters out there should check out the cancer ward of your local hospital. Because that’s where many of you are going to end up.

God will see to it. And his punishment may not stop there. . . .

What is more lacking education in theology or medicine?