PETA Supports Pope Benedict XVI

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Our Holy Father was right on and I’m glad that PETA could find some common ground with him. Factory farming and the intentional altering of God’s creation through the use of drugs and genetic selection are inhumane. It’s about time people start to recognize that. I truly feel that if the people on this thread that are mocking the animal welfare movement actually thought about what they are doing, looked at the pictures of what they support, they would change their minds. Check out the website www.christianveg.com to see more of the Christian perspective on vegetarianism. We need to be good stewards of the resources that God has given us; currently we are not.
 
Who was that wise priest that said our crazy culture teeters between nudism and vegetarianism?
 
I’ve seen the future. You wanna know the future, its a 47 year old virgin sitting in the dark in a bath robe in the dark, sipping a banana-broccoli shake, singing “I’m an oscar Meyer Weiner”.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
I’ve seen the future. You wanna know the future, its a 47 year old virgin sitting in the dark in a bath robe in the dark, sipping a banana-broccoli shake, singing “I’m an oscar Meyer Weiner”.
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Is this how you’re spending your day? 🙂
 
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romano:
You corpse eaters out there should check out the cancer ward of your local hospital. Because that’s where many of you are going to end up.

God will see to it. And his punishment may not stop there. . . .
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Romano,
You need to cool down. Your tone is very vindictive.
Most people try to eat what is best for them and what they feel most comfortable about eating. I eat meat but not much. I refuse to eat frog legs. :nope:
The area I live is overrun by deer due to overpopulation. It is absolutely crazy. They cause vehicle accidents and even deaths sometimes. Large herds of deer cause massive distruction to farmland and property. They also carry ticks with lymes disease. In this respect I really am not happy about the menacing creatures. The DEC has unleashed wild coyote from the Adirondack Mountains to help control the population in a natural way. This is helping.
By the way…I love to see deer running in herds. They are beautiful!
When hunting season comes around I cringe when I hear hunters out shooting them. Most hunters here are killing to fill their freezers so that they can feed their families! … Yes, feed their families. ( This is how it has been for … thousands of years…Men hunt to feed their families!!!)
Deer, ground beef, chicken, pork, veal…people eat meat. It remains a good source of protein and nourishment for many people.

This thread is not about condemning people for eating red meat.

Read this letter to the Pope again, PETA is expressing hope for better treatment of animals…that is all.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
I’ve seen the future. You wanna know the future, its a 47 year old virgin sitting in the dark in a bath robe in the dark, sipping a banana-broccoli shake, singing “I’m an oscar Meyer Weiner”.
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What? No picture to go with this?
 
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vegpotter:
Our Holy Father was right on and I’m glad that PETA could find some common ground with him. Factory farming and the intentional altering of God’s creation through the use of drugs and genetic selection are inhumane.
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We should all be supportive of the common ground outlined in Cardinal Ratzinger’s letter and there is a lot of common ground of cruelty out there. Here in Texas there are laws that protect the more obvious forms of animal cruelty . I know of several instances of people being jailed and the animals given over to shelters. Amen for that.

The problem most of us have with PETA is that there is little common ground in their agenda with us rational human beings. We are tired of having extremism foistered upon us by animal rights activist, environmentalist, etc. Earlier the term “American” was belittled because we allow animals to be processed for meat. I wish to turn that around. Only in and affluent society do people have the luxury of the sort of self-righteous indignation of the animal-rights fringe.

Not all ranching is evil. I drive by many of the same cows I eat every day. I have visited an egg farm in which the chickens were treated like chickens.
 
Philip, I agree with your post entirely. I hope I didn’t come across as a defender of PETA–their basic premise I agree with, the way they go about it in many ways is terribly flawed and undermines their purpose. Not all farming is bad, I agree with that too; it’s just that the majority of the meat/dairy/egg supply in this country does not come from farms/ranches where animals are treated humanely. It’s really unfortunate, since it doesn’t have to be that way. It’s unfortunate, too, that the animal welfare debate in this country tends to degenerate into anger and bitterness, kind of like this thread has. Both sides need to be held accountable for their words and actions. Once we all shut up and stop being so defensive, we’ll be able to make real progress.
 
geezerbob
The “who cares” statement was meant to apply to PETA’s support for the pope and to nothing else.
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Then perhaps in the future, you might not want to not limit your entire post to just 2 word responses.
I do care about animals
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Good.
The following is copied from the forum rules in the sticky at the top of this forum:

**The temptation to ignore charity when writing about those who are perceived as the 'bad hats" in this situation must be resisted at all times. **Speculation about the character and intentions of the players is generally a very bad idea. It is practically impossible to know an individual’s true motivations.
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As you are most adept at posting Forum Rules geezer, it is my sincerest hope then - that you will be able to follow them yourself as well.
No purpose is served by unnecessary name calling or by purporting to know the motives of another.
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I “purport” or “presume” nothing geezer. I just respond to the statements made by others. My responses are made according to what the person posting has said. So my suggestion then, is that you might want to consider not being so “vague” in your remarks - as that merely invites confusion and misunderstandings.

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vegpotter:
It’s really unfortunate, since it doesn’t have to be that way… Once we all shut up and stop being so defensive, we’ll be able to make real progress.
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:amen: I would support (as would many here) any reasonable reform to the farm system. “Unneccesary” suffering should be avoided, as the Catechism states, and Christians should favor such action.
 
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vegpotter:
Our Holy Father was right on and I’m glad that PETA could find some common ground with him. Factory farming and the intentional altering of God’s creation through the use of drugs and genetic selection are inhumane. It’s about time people start to recognize that. I truly feel that if the people on this thread that are mocking the animal welfare movement actually thought about what they are doing, looked at the pictures of what they support, they would change their minds.
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Hi vegpotter:

You are, my dear brother in Christ, absolutely right. But what this thread shows is that most folks will continue to prefer the broad and easy path, and will find any excuse at all to avoid getting their act straightened out by actually DOING SOMETHING. They prefer the easy way. And as St. Isaac has pointed out, we all know where that leads.

Christ told us.
 
Hi All:

Time to cut the excuses, the rationalizations, the cold, uncaring, heartless and empty blather, and listen to what a real Christian has to say about all this.

Here is a passage from DAILY READINGS WITH ST ISAAC OF SYRIA. Introduced and edited by A. A. Allchin. Translated by Sebastian Brock. Springfield, Illinois: Templegate Publishers, 1990, p.29. ISBN 0 87243 173 8:

**"What is a compassionate heart?

It is a heart on fire for the whole of creation, for humanity, for the birds, for the animals, for demons and for all that exists. At the recollection and at the sight of them such a person’s eyes overflow with tears owing to the vehemence of the compassion which grips his heart; as a result of his deep mercy his heart shrinks and cannot bear to hear or look on any injury or the slightest suffering of anything in creation."**

:blessyou:
 
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pnewton:
Only in and affluent society do people have the luxury of the sort of self-righteous indignation of the animal-rights fringe.

Not all ranching is evil. I drive by many of the same cows I eat every day. I have visited an egg farm in which the chickens were treated like chickens.
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:amen::amen:
 
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romano:
Hi All:
Time to cut the excuses, the rationalizations, the cold, uncaring, heartless and empty blather, and listen to what a real Christian has to say about all this.
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romano,
These words of yours are vindictive and unnecessarily offensive and judgemental. You can’t justify using your snide words next to words of a saint…even a saint from the Eastern Orthodox Church.
 
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romano:
Hi vegpotter:

You are, my dear brother in Christ, absolutely right. But what this thread shows is that most folks will continue to prefer the broad and easy path, and will find any excuse at all to avoid getting their act straightened out by actually DOING SOMETHING. They prefer the easy way. And as St. Isaac has pointed out, we all know where that leads.

Christ told us.
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I agree with this. Who was it that said that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing? That’s how I feel about the animal welfare movement in this country. So many people just don’t know where their food is coming from. I’m even more shocked by how many do know and just want to pretend it’s OK. Then there are those, like Oat Soda, who say “torture for the sake of torture is always wrong but if animals are treated cruely for the benefit of man, it can be legitimate.” that just absolutely leave me speechless. I just pray that people’s hearts will be opened and they will be enlightened and take action.
 
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vegpotter:
I agree with this. Who was it that said that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing? That’s how I feel about the animal welfare movement in this country. So many people just don’t know where their food is coming from. I’m even more shocked by how many do know and just want to pretend it’s OK. Then there are those, like Oat Soda, who say “torture for the sake of torture is always wrong but if animals are treated cruely for the benefit of man, it can be legitimate.” that just absolutely leave me speechless. I just pray that people’s hearts will be opened and they will be enlightened and take action.
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I think he was speaking of medical testing. Is that to be regarded as illegitimate?
 
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JKirkLVNV:
I think he was speaking of medical testing. Is that to be regarded as illegitimate?
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Since right before it, he said this “mmmmmmmmm… veal -no wonder it tastes so good! i have a hard time believing that the church is opposed to veal and goose liver pate.” I don’t think he’s talking animal testing. I think he was just trying to be hateful and get people stirred up.
 
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Originally Posted by romano
Hi All:
Time to cut the excuses, the rationalizations, the cold, uncaring, heartless and empty blather, and listen to what a real Christian has to say about all this.

romano,
These words of yours are vindictive and unnecessarily offensive and judgemental. You can’t justify using your snide words next to words of a saint…even a saint from the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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I really don’t see any vindictiveness in those words contermplative.

Just an unabashed examination of the truth.
ST ISAAC OF SYRIA
"What is a compassionate heart?

It is a heart on fire for the whole of creation, for humanity, for the birds, for the animals, for demons and for all that exists. At the recollection and at the sight of them such a person’s eyes overflow with tears owing to the vehemence of the compassion which grips his heart; as a result of his deep mercy his heart shrinks and cannot bear to hear or look on any injury or the slightest suffering of anything in creation."
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AMEN! AMEN! AMEN To You St. Isaac!
 
I find vegetarians and vegans to be inconsistent in their principles and inconsiderate in their practices. The chief problem is that, while both disapprove of killing animals, they approve of killing plants.
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From Catholic theology we know that man, animals, and plants all have souls. Man’s soul is a spirit and therefore is immortal. The souls of animals and plants, as St. Thomas Aquinas noted, are material principles. They die when the animals and plants die.
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Thus there is a symmetry between animals and plants. There is no good reason to treat them differently. It is false to say that animals must be protected but that plants are expendable.
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I don’t think it’s right to kill either animals or plants. Thus I subsist on water and minerals only. I use a mortar and pestle to grind up a complex of minerals that works for me. I admit that the taste leaves a bit to be desired, but that is a small price to pay for doing the right thing…
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