Pew Poll: Obama Greatest President in Our Lifetime

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qui_est_ce said:
Minimum wage earners either don’t pay taxes or what they pay is insignificant after personal exemptions and standard deduction. Tax tables are graduated so the more you make, the more you pay percentage wise.
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I think it is easy for those of us who live comfortable lives to think of what others pay in taxes as insignificant. There was a time in my life when my budget for groceries was $10 a week. Even a modest tax cut would have had a significant impact on my budget. I might have been able to upgrade from peanut butter to beef hearts. However, it is true that the decrease in the tax bill from the tax cuts went disproportionately to high income people. That might be reasonable if there was an economic reason for that, but the tax bill was not designed with economic reasoning in mind.
 
JonNC said:
I do note the drift, but hate is rather specific,
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Apparently you don’t. On many threads on this forum we have gone 'round and 'round on what constitutes hate.
The only conclusion that can be drawn is: what the hate-accuser says it is. I am afraid that the battle to make is something “rather specific” has been lost.
 
But this isn’t true. It was not because the didn’t like President Obama–maybe it was for some but not all–. There are errors that are glaring for anyone who wants to look. Has nothing to do with the name on the document. It’s a MYSTERY. Always was a sucker for a mystery novel…
 
Obama’s tenure was massively overhyped. How else can one explain winning the Peace Prize just for taking office.

Historians will eventually acknowledge Obama left the Dem party in tatters and failed to implement any policy changes that were bi-partisan and survived even one term.
 
Theo520 said:
Historians will eventually acknowledge Obama left the Dem party in tatters and failed to implement any policy changes that were bi-partisan and survived even one term.
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For some reason eight years in power seems to leave the president’s party in tatters. The same could be said for Bush. I guess nothing like a common enemy to unite a group of people.
 
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qui_est_ce:
Minimum wage earners either don’t pay taxes or what they pay is insignificant after personal exemptions and standard deduction. Tax tables are graduated so the more you make, the more you pay percentage wise.
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I think it is easy for those of us who live comfortable lives to think of what others pay in taxes as insignificant. There was a time in my life when my budget for groceries was $10 a week. Even a modest tax cut would have had a significant impact on my budget. I might have been able to upgrade from peanut butter to beef hearts.
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But that wasn’t my point. I made no judgment on minimum wage earners. I was just trying to explain how the tax system works.
stinkcat_14 said:
However, it is true that the decrease in the tax bill from the tax cuts went disproportionately to high income people. That might be reasonable if there was an economic reason for that, but the tax bill was not designed with economic reasoning in mind.
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That’s because high income people pay more taxes. Also, high income people are often the job creators. Reducing their overhead leaves them more cash to hire people (think lawn mowing, cleaning people, etc.).

I work for a janitorial company, typically minimum wage positions. We can’t get away with paying minimum wages because there are more jobs than workers. In order to compete, we have to start most people at $8-$10/hour, depending on the location. $8.00 an hour in St. Louis is worth a lot more than $15.00/hours in LA due to the low cost of living here. The SEIU hates us!

That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it!
 
stinkcat_14 said:
For some reason eight years in power seems to leave the president’s party in tatters. The same could be said for Bush. I guess nothing like a common enemy to unite a group of people.
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So you imagine losing over 1,000 state and local seats is a sign of his superior leadership?

I’m not defending Bush JR, stop deflecting.
 
Theo520 said:
So you imagine losing over 1,000 state and local seats is a sign of his superior leadership?
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When did I ever say that Obama had superior leadership? I said nothing positive about his leadership. Clearly your reading comprehension needs remedial work. Time to put up or shut up. When did I ever praise Obama’s leadership?
 
Show examples of anyone on this Forum who ever expressed hatred of Obama .You won’t because you can’t
 
He was the leader of the free world! Why would you NOT praise his leadership??? But call him the greatest President of our Lifetime???
 
petra22 said:
He was the leader of the free world! Why would you NOT praise his leadership??? But call him the greatest President of our Lifetime???
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In my opinion he didn’t have the political skill to deal with the rough and tumble of politics. In my opinion, Bill Clinton was much better at it, people could insult him and he could still work deals with people. I am not sure that we have any president in our lifetime that could be said to be truly great.
 
Right. And I would love to read the analysis of Obama’s supporters in 50-100 years too. What amounts to an inability to see anything wrong, ever. Worship. Why the need to do this? It is a rhetorical question. Thought exercise. 🙂
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Right. And I would love to read the analysis of Obama’s supporters in 50-100 years too. What amounts to an inability to see anything wrong, ever. Worship. Why the need to do this? It is a rhetorical question. Thought exercise. 🙂
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I would argue that it is a function of our polarized political culture. There is a need to portray the enemy and pure evil and your side a always virtuous. Bill Clinton has extramarital affairs, that is a character flaw, Don Trump has extramarital affairs, he is not running for archbishop after all.
 
Right, so don’t you find it odd that no one on the left ever criticizes Obama? I criticize Obama, Trump and Clinton. What did Obama leave us? What did he achieve? Obamacare? A phone and a pen and Black Lives Matter. Smoke and mirrors. A whole lot of polarization is what he left us, worse than when he went into office. That is why I look for something underneath the adulation; it is not based on reason or honesty. (Remember what history did to Carter?) Makes me sad. They either have a very very low bar or have no clue at all what effective unifying leadership is in a modern democratic state - I will leave foreign policy out of it as a courtesy.
 
dvdjs said:
What will be the standard of evidence of hate toward Obama?
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Well we have members who think it’s ok to call Trump ‘Cheeto’. I guess by that standard it would be acceptable to give Obama a nickname referencing his skin color?
 
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I am afraid Trump is going soft on Brexit, how’s that. I think he will find a way to support May and the Brexiteers. I think he chose moderate Kavanaugh because he was afraid Barrett would not make it through. He is a politician. I will be surprised if we see Barrett again. And, heads up to the left, Trump is a moderate. That is why the Democrats can’t stop Kavanaugh - if Trump is not careful he will lose social conservatives. But still he is smart, the biggest mistake people make is to miss that, underestimate him. He has a schtick, vulgar buffoon, offense/shock as a weapon (that is what Flannery O’Connor did too, slightly different style). I am not saying that is not real, but it is just the surface. There. I criticized Trump.
 
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