But you don;t have to respect their way of life, because apparently yours is the only possible correct one.
She used an analogy… not comparison. But that’s ok… not everyone will understand the dichotomy of the conversation
What???
Wow, this is the funniest comment I’ve read so far from you! Thanks!!
And now all I have to do is point to this when someone accuses me of being unnecessarily condescending or sarcastic. “You don’t agree with me, so you’re wrong.”What???
If you are saying my heterosexual marriage isn’t the correct way of life to show my children, then what in the world are we to teach our children as the TRUE teaching of our beloved Church regarding marriage???
And you’re right… I don’t HAVE to respect my friend and her lovers’ way of life. And I certainly don’t. I don’t accept it because it’s wrong. And how dare anyone say that I’m prejudiced or wrong because I feel this strongly about people living and acting out a homosexual lifestyle.
The bottom line is that I still love my friend… but I don’t love her sin nor will I be made to feel like I’m wrong for neither tolerating nor accepting it. I’m sorry my standard of living and life make you feel uncomfortable enough to argue with me about it.
Strawman.
I think this is one of the best comments on this thread.
Not to mention it’s only taboo to say someone is wrong if you’re a liberal; conservatives expect a person to say “you’re wrong” and then explain why, while liberals say “it’s true for you, but not for me” because they are afraid of having to explain why they believe what they do; it’s easier just to forbid debate as being “closed-minded”.
An interesting thought though is considering lust in heterosexuals. It is not sinful for thoughts of lust to enter one’s mind but it is sinful to entertain those thoughts or act on them. However, I, as a heterosexual male, have an obligation to purify my heart by way of prayer, penance, and fasting to correct this disorder that keeps creeping up.
I cant imagine turning my best friend of 20 years away because she or he were gay, that is a pitiful shame. Friends are supposed to be each others friends in the good times and the bad, especially best friends. when a friend of mine came out I was shocked, he was always such a ladies man,but I had known him since i was a little girl and I told him I loved and supported him anyway. He was suicidal over the whole idea of having to tell his parents because of his cultural backgroud. He told me the only reason he didnt kill himself was because his friends loved and supported him for who he was, not who he loved. A friend is a friend no matter what. ESPECIALLY a Christian friend. we are love the sinner and hate the sin, not the other way around.
agreed. I have struggled many a time with leaving the church over the exact same thing. But I take it all and lay it at Jesus’ feet and am reminded that I am exactly where I belong. Not every Catholic feels like that and it is hard to co exist sometimes but we have to remember we all had our reasons for becoming Catholic, especially the converts, mine was to get a deeper stronger connection with my Lord and Savior and to live a life as the Blessed Mother would have, same reason I became a legionary. As a legionary I come into contact with all sorts of people and when I feel angered or frustrated at their lifestyle I remember that through serving them I am serving the Lord and His Mother and It is not mine to judge, only to serve. Dont let a few bad apples spoil the bunch and push you from your faith, the most beautiful faith there is. our Catholic faith is a gift. hang in there and I for one am glad to that there are others like me out there. There have been occasional threads about making one “pure” Catholic church, with only Catholics who believe what some decree we should believe being allowed to join. These threads are depressing and nauseating (sp?) but I just remind myself that, like anything else, there are going to be some who want it one way and anything different is an abomination and they should be kicked out. to me its like racism, pure race, pure Church, its evil all around. I am sorry you felt that way, but embrace your faith and live your life for God and no one else. My confessor once told me, when I confessed these feelings to him, that no one knows what is said between you and God except you and God. And that we never walk alone. Read Footprints in the sand if you can, this little poem has gotten me through some very rough times. Live your life for God and you can never go wrong. Love is a gift that we can all share and with Charity comes love and the world can never have too much charity or too much love for man kind. Remember the high and mighty cant rule for long. God tells us that. “Blessed are the Meek for they shall inherit the earth.”
With all due respect, what is it that you think your friend would be doing in your house? If you have been friends with this woman for 20 years, I highly doubt that she would treat your house as a motel renting by the hour. Don’t you have enough history with your friend to trust that she would not offend you in your own home? As for your children, they would see two women staying as houseguests. IMHO, I think your friend would treat her partner as a platonic friend in your presence, out of respect for you.
Good for you!! Over a third of teenage suicides are reportedly related with homosexuality, and gay teens are three times more likely to commit suicide than straight teens. Surely that says to us that our societies attitudes towards homosexuality are not yet correct?
Where does one draw the line? A parent must be careful that the teaching a their child does not come across as “it’s okay to talk the talk, just don’t always walk the talk”.
My feelings are exacerbated by the fact that I didn’t get to make a choice. My parents said “This is what we do”.
I do see your point and I would hope she would have enough respect for me and my house that she wouldn’t do anything. But I can’t pretend that the temptation isn’t there. How many of us married couples have stayed at a friends or relatives and had a little hanky panky going on? (not necessarily full blown adult sex, but the temptation of that too). I don’t need the potential of my children walking downstairs to get a glass of water or something to find them doing something… even kissing in something more than a platonical manner is not good for my children to see.
Actually, I’m a gay man, with a partner, and I don’t have any kids. I don’t know how to use those silly smile things to show I’m being sarcastic. But I also was making a point. It is easy to stand tall and proud against a “sin” that you have no personal experience with. Hence all these anti-gay threads in this forum. But if you check around, you are not going to find any threads about the problems of dealing with money in a way consistant with Jesus’ teachings. See wallet issues hit a little too close to home. And therefore not discussed. I do have to laugh. Devotion stops at the wallet.
I am 110% behind you Tamccrackine!
There is a big difference between tolerance and acceptance, my friend. It’s a question of where you draw the line and what you’re willing to stand firm on. And the OP said, take a stand. I have my reasons for standing where I do yet I’ve been called a horrible friend and questioned. Maybe I didn’t explain myself well enough, I thought I had so I apologize.
Actually, I’ve seen several threads dealing with money issues. And the issue is not so much that an African lady cannot protect herself with a rubber, the issue is that she should not be having sex outside of marriage at all. And if she knowingly marries someone with HIV, then that’s a risk she is apparently willing to face if she’s Catholic. If she’s not, then I doubt she’d give any of this a second thought.
