Pick a side on gay issue!

[setter]

MikeinSD:

…all these **anti-gay threads ** in this forum.

It is all a matter of perspective. From the Catholic perspective, these are all pro-dignity, pro-life (yes, *pro-life * in the mortality and life in the fullest sense), pro-compassion threads.It is our incumbent duty to present and represent Christ in these “gay” issues.

 

[TZiggy]

setter:

It is all a matter of perspective. From the Catholic perspective, these are all pro-dignity, pro-life (yes, *pro-life *in the mortality and life in the fullest sense), pro-compassion threads.It is our incumbent duty to present and represent Christ in these “gay” issues.

AMEN!

 

[BigPaulie]

What is there to say about this issue that hasn’t already been said? The homosexual issue continues to divide our society and weaken the family, and will continue to do so. It’s one of the best weapon’s in the arsenal of the devil. As long as it remains in our culture we will continue to be “The Culture of Death”.

Big Paulie

 

[goofyjim]

BigPaulie:

What is there to say about this issue that hasn’t already been said? The homosexual issue continues to divide our society and weaken the family, and will continue to do so. It’s one of the best weapon’s in the arsenal of the devil. As long as it remains in our culture we will continue to be “The Culture of Death”.

Big Paulie

I don’t believe same sex attraction is the arsenal of the devil and part of the culture of death. If one is not acting on it they should not be ostracized. Those who experience this are trying their best and despite their condition should be considered part of the culture of life. Sounds like some people think we’re trying to play both sides and that we will burn in hell for being neutral.

 

[Rebecca_New]

Liberalsaved:

I’m for gay rights.

See, it wasn’t that hard.

I am for gay rights too: just because someone doesn’t fit into the square hole does not warrent us in anyway wanting to discard them like a piece of garbage. These are people with human rights. SSA couples can not be married. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Freedom is not doing what you want to do, it is being able to do what you should do. People get married to uphold the Word Of God. God has very plainly stated many times that homosexual activities are prohibited. Another case of man wanting to be God. Why do SSA couples want to get married? If it is against Scripture to have SSA relations, why would any rational person want to join the community?

 

[Liberalsaved]

Rebecca New:

I am for gay rights too: just because someone doesn’t fit into the square hole does not warrent us in anyway wanting to discard them like a piece of garbage. These are people with human rights. SSA couples can not be married. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Freedom is not doing what you want to do, it is being able to do what you should do. People get married to uphold the Word Of God. God has very plainly stated many times that homosexual activities are prohibited. Another case of man wanting to be God. Why do SSA couples want to get married? If it is against Scripture to have SSA relations, why would any rational person want to join the community?

Because marriage isn’t the sole property of the Church in our country. If someone disagrees with a gay couple being married in a civil court, they should just keep it to themselves; they have no right to prevent that. And, not being gay yourself, you cannot judge what is right for them. This all goes back to the issue of theocracy. Being gay is not a drain on society. It harms no innocent people. It does not result in increased mortality among anyone. I’ve been shocked that, despite years of evidence to the contrary, some people on this forum think that AIDs is directly linked to hmosexuality. It just isn’t true, and what’s more, I think people choose to ignore evidence and beleive whatever rules they have made up about gays in their own heads to justify putting their own moral restrictions on the civil rights of other people.

The bottom line is, you have no right to do this. Despite what McCarthy got into schools in the 50’s, this is not “one nation under God”, it’s one nation under the American people, who beleive in a wide variety of things, and in order for the country to survive, none of those beleifs must be enforced by law on people who do not beleive them. And I just know I’m going to get examples of ones that have. But that’s a moot point. Just because we’ve not always succeeded in respecting all beleifs doesn’t give Catholics carte blanche to have theirs become law.

Gays do not sexually abuse more children or create more AIDs cases or any of that claptrap I hear spouted. The bottom line is heterosexuals who don’t want them to have the same rights they do don’t care about morals. They don’t care about their religion, whatever it may be. They just use morals and religion and myths about the gay culture to pound home their own bigotry. I have yet to see a good reason purported by anyone why the state should not marry homosexuals.

 

[BlindSheep]

Libero:

Good for you!! Over a third of teenage suicides are reportedly related with homosexuality, and gay teens are three times more likely to commit suicide than straight teens. Surely that says to us that our societies attitudes towards homosexuality are not yet correct?

Why are you so sure gay teens are commiting suicide because of “societies attitudes”?
Especially since rates of suicide and depression are just as bad in societies that are more accepting of homosexuality…

 

[BlindSheep]

Liberalsaved:

Gays do not sexually abuse more children or create more AIDs cases or any of that claptrap I hear spouted…

What evidence do you have that all the statistics are false?

 

[BlindSheep]

MikeinSD:

It’s called taking a stand. Believing in yr faith. Willing to endure some pain for what you believe. I don’t think you see many Christians take up this challenge.

Clearly, you only see what you want to see.

 

[MikeinSD]

BlindSheep:

Clearly, you only see what you want to see.

I see what I see. What I see is a lot of posturing. Folks fearlessly denounce gay rights but too afraid to take the issue of birth control to their friends and families. Because doing so would cause embarassment and might actually have unpleasant consequences. Faith must be fun if the grace comes cheap.

 

[Liberalsaved]

BlindSheep:

What evidence do you have that all the statistics are false?

I beleive your faction is the one who goes around yelling that it isn;t false? What non-biased evidence or first hand experience have you presented for that?

 

[Thekla]

I’d like to start by saying that there is something troubling about this being posted under the “Culture of Death” Forum. As if people who are gay don’t have enough to deal with, they get to be lumped in with murderers, women who abort their babies, and doctors euthanizing patients.

Gay men and women were created in the likeness and image of God. Therefore, I pick the side that shows greater tolerance; the side that gives them the same rights as heterosexuals; the side that has me showing them kindnesses as if Jesus Himself had walked into the room.

The Catholic Church does a good job of outlining sin for the individual, but there is not the same level of guidance for how the rest of us are supposed to respond to someone else’s sin. Therefore, I choose to err on the side of caution. When I get to Heaven, if God asks me why I was so tolerant of homosexuals, I think I can defend it. If God were to ask me why I had been intolerant, I think I’d have a tougher time.

 

[pira114]

Gays do not sexually abuse more children or create more AIDs cases or any of that claptrap I hear spouted. The bottom line is heterosexuals who don’t want them to have the same rights they do don’t care about morals. They don’t care about their religion, whatever it may be. They just use morals and religion and myths about the gay culture to pound home their own bigotry. I have yet to see a good reason purported by anyone why the state should not marry homosexuals.

How can you say that heterosexuals don’t care about morals just because they don’t agree with yours? That’s pretty egotistical. You obviously have your beliefs, I respect that. But you offer no respect for our beliefs. We don’t like something so we’re bigots? I could argue that you’ve had someone’s agenda pounded into your head. The same agenda we’re trying to avoid being pounded into our children’s heads by not giving homosexuals any more rights then anyone else. I don’t want my children being taught that it is O.K. to be homosexual. I can teach them to love them as people and treat them as God’s children, but I don’t have to tell them that their right for being homosexuals.

So, if we’re talking tolorance here, where’s the tolorance for people like me who don’t want to say it’s O.K.? What happened to my right to say “No, I don’t want my child taught that.”?

 

[pnewton]

I will choose the side that keeps the government away from establishing gay rights, as I do not believe that gay rights exist any more than adulterers’ rights, or pediphile’s rights, or the right to beastiality.

 

[goofyjim]

pnewton:

I will choose the side that keeps the government away from establishing gay rights, as I do not believe that gay rights exist any more than adulterers’ rights, or pediphile’s rights, or the right to beastiality.

So someone who only experiences same sex attraction must forever keep that hidden fearing loss of a job? I’m sure it used to happen. Fortunately we have Courage now. Oh, but if the government doesn’t establish rights then someone finds out you attend Courage meetings, watch out.

 

[soulspeak23]

pira114:

Gays do not sexually abuse more children or create more AIDs cases or any of that claptrap I hear spouted. The bottom line is heterosexuals who don’t want them to have the same rights they do don’t care about morals. They don’t care about their religion, whatever it may be. They just use morals and religion and myths about the gay culture to pound home their own bigotry. I have yet to see a good reason purported by anyone why the state should not marry homosexuals.

How can you say that heterosexuals don’t care about morals just because they don’t agree with yours? That’s pretty egotistical. You obviously have your beliefs, I respect that. But you offer no respect for our beliefs. We don’t like something so we’re bigots? I could argue that you’ve had someone’s agenda pounded into your head. The same agenda we’re trying to avoid being pounded into our children’s heads by not giving homosexuals any more rights then anyone else. I don’t want my children being taught that it is O.K. to be homosexual. I can teach them to love them as people and treat them as God’s children, but I don’t have to tell them that their right for being homosexuals.

So, if we’re talking tolorance here, where’s the tolorance for people like me who don’t want to say it’s O.K.? What happened to my right to say “No, I don’t want my child taught that.”?

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. But what would you do if one of your own children somehow grew up to be gay, even though they were taught it was wrong, even though they may never have been exposed to it and only grew up in a two parent, mother-father home? How would you explain it? That’s exactly what happened to me.

 

[goofyjim]

soulspeak23:

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. But what would you do if one of your own children somehow grew up to be gay, even though they were taught it was wrong, even though they may never have been exposed to it and only grew up in a two parent, mother-father home? How would you explain it? That’s exactly what happened to me.

Thank you. This describes me to a tee although I would not consider myself gay. I prefer same sex attracted. There are ways, Catholic ways to avoid the lifestyle. Pray the Rosary. It may not make the temptations go away but will give you a way to resist them more powerfully.

 

[BlindSheep]

Liberalsaved:

I beleive your faction is the one who goes around yelling that it isn;t false? What non-biased evidence or first hand experience have you presented for that?

Oh yeah, that’s right - you dismiss all evidence you don’t like as biased.

 

[BlindSheep]

Thekla:

Gay men and women were created in the likeness and image of God. Therefore, I pick the side that shows greater tolerance; the side that gives them the same rights as heterosexuals; the side that has me showing them kindnesses as if Jesus Himself had walked into the room.

The Catholic Church does a good job of outlining sin for the individual, but there is not the same level of guidance for how the rest of us are supposed to respond to someone else’s sin. Therefore, I choose to err on the side of caution. When I get to Heaven, if God asks me why I was so tolerant of homosexuals, I think I can defend it. If God were to ask me why I had been intolerant, I think I’d have a tougher time.

Thekla -
I want to pick the most loving and compassionate side too. An honest look at the gay community reveals people trapped in self-destructive, addictive, psychologically damaging behavior patterns, and I can’t see enabling or ignoring it as truly compassionate.

 

[TZiggy]

goofyjim:

Thank you. This describes me to a tee although I would not consider myself gay. I prefer same sex attracted. There are ways, Catholic ways to avoid the lifestyle. Pray the Rosary. It may not make the temptations go away but will give you a way to resist them more powerfully.

Goofy Jim,
I haven’t read thru all the posts so forgive me if this is redundant, but from what little I’ve read of your posts you seem to me to epitomize the Catholic position on this subject.

If you are same sex attracted, but don’t act on it, you are bearing a heavy burden but setting an absolutely stellar example for others with the same cross. In your opinion, is Broke Back helping others with less moral fortitude than yourself learn how live a Godly life with this attraction?

An aside: I have found that the greater the burden, the greater the blessing. I’d be interested in your observations.