Please explain differences in Masses

AmyS · Dec 9, 2004

Pandora:

I go to the Indult Mass in Boston and the families here are huge. That was the first thing that shocked my Mom. The norn is 6-8 and we have 2 families of 10 and growing. So I don’t think the TLM will die our. So far we have sent 3 men from our Mass to the seminary. Last night after Mass over 30 men stayed to pray together. The Holy Name Society does that after Mass every week but many of these men were not part of the society. When I looked back before I exited the Church I thought there has to be a vocation or 2 there.
We have 4 regular priets that say Mass for us and only one rushes sometimes. The others take there time and do it right. We have a pretty vocal crowd if they feel the priest wasn’t following to letter of the law. I was lucky because my first 3 Masses the priest was a little hard of hearing so he was really load and I could hear pretty much everything. The priest does not have his back to us the whole time but most of the time. Our priests says the Epistle and Gospel again in English before he starts the homily.
To each his own I guess. I love it and because I have to really make an effort to go as it is not close by I think I get more from it.
Kathy

That sounds beautiful Kathy…

AmyS · Dec 9, 2004

Podo2004:

No you’re not going to hell for celebrating the No. Mass… honestly…how could someone go to hell for celebrating THE most joyful,beautiful and reverant mass?
Podo

To me my Mass is beautiful, my priest sings the majority of it, it is awe inspiring… and, has moved many to tears. I live in a community where we have a lot of visitors, they have commented more than once how much they love our parish. I also understand that it might not be some other Catholics cup of tea, and that is okay with me… I just don’t like to be judge on my reverance, or the reverance of my parish. I don’t really know anything but NO, and, I never knew there was anything wrong with it.

Pandora · Dec 9, 2004

Amy I think the demand for the TLM is also forcing Bishops to clean up the abuses in the NO Mass. Yes I have gone to very reverant NO Masses. One was in a very poor Church in NY City this summer with a Hatian priest. I just wish he stayed in French as he would unthinkly start in French and then switch back to English. It was the English service.

Oh well. He did give a very nice homily. We also kneeled for commmunion with the priest. Ah brings back my childhood. We even had bells.
Kathy

Podo2004 · Dec 9, 2004

AmyS:

To me my Mass is beautiful, my priest sings the majority of it, it is awe inspiring… and, has moved many to tears. I live in a community where we have a lot of visitors, they have commented more than once how much they love our parish. I also understand that it might not be some other Catholics cup of tea, and that is okay with me… I just don’t like to be judge on my reverance, or the reverance of my parish. I don’t really know anything but NO, and, I never knew there was anything wrong with it.

If you came to my parish, you would also experience a beautiful NO. Mass too. Every month there are many vistors and our priest makes them feel welcome. You know AmyS? It’s my favorite cup of tea, the No. Mass

. S’ok with me as long as others don’t forget about it and accept the change.
God Bless You Amy
Podo :blessyou:

RBushlow · Dec 9, 2004

Franciscum:

The “old Mass” or the “Latin Mass” is properly called the Tridentine Mass. The celebration of the Tridentine Mass (based on the 1962 Missal, and only the 1962 Missal) is via indult (special permission) from the Vatican, but it requires permission from the cognizant bishop. It’s not up to the individual celebrant.

The “new Mass” or “novus ordo Mass” prommulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1969 can be celebrated in either the vernacular, Latin, or a combination of the two. This Mass is now the normative Mass for the Latin Church. It requires no indult.

There is also an Anglican Use Mass. Since the 1980s the Holy See has granted some former Anglican and Episcopal clergy converting with their parishes the faculty of celebrating the sacramental rites according to Anglican forms, doctrinally corrected. A well celebrated Anglican Use Mass is stunning.

Masses can also be celebrated using the historic Mozarabic, Ambrosian, Bragan, Dominican, Carmelite,and Carthusian rites under special circumstances, all within the Latin Church.

So yes, you have several additional choices…

To expand even farther, there are the Byzantine, Maronite, Meklite, Coptic, and other Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgies as well.

katolik · Dec 9, 2004

If you came to my parish, you would also experience a beautiful NO. Mass too. Every month there are many vistors and our priest makes them feel welcome. You know AmyS? It’s my favorite cup of tea, the No. Mass

. S’ok with me as long as others don’t forget about it and accept the change.
God Bless You Amy
Podo :blessyou:

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But you have never attended a Traditional Latin Mass or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy. How do you know if Ceylon tea tastes good if you have only had Indian tea?
Byzantine DL
www.byzantinecatholic.org/Worship/DivLiturgy/DivLit1.html
TLM
pittsburghlatinmass.org/sblm/gallery.htm

Podo2004 · Dec 9, 2004

katolik:

But you have never attended a Traditional Latin Mass or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy. How do you know if Ceylon tea tastes good if you have only had Indian tea?
Byzantine DL
www.byzantinecatholic.org/Worship/DivLiturgy/DivLit1.html
TLM
pittsburghlatinmass.org/sblm/gallery.htm

Why would i attend the old mass when i have the new mass?! I’ve heard about it and i like the new ways better anyway. We are in the present and i attend the normal mass. It’s like saying buy the first computer ever made and try it instead of the new computer. I have accepted change(Vatican II) and am happen with it.
Podo

misericordie · Dec 9, 2004

Podo2004:

Why would i attend the old mass when i have the new mass?! I’ve heard about it and i like the new ways better anyway. We are in the present and i attend the normal mass. It’s like saying buy the first computer ever made and try it instead of the new computer. I have accepted change(Vatican II) and am happen with it.
Podo

Have you ACTUALLY been to VARIOUS Tridentine Masses, are you just in hear say. Anyway, okay there ARE actually those who love liturgical dancers, and the poka masses too.

misericordie · Dec 9, 2004

Contarini:

I attended a Tridentine Mass yesterday for the second time in my life (the other was an SSPX Mass in Raleigh, NC seven years ago). I suppose “reverent” is the right word, inasmuch as the priest hardly said a word that was audible by the congregation for large parts of the Mass, and the congregation said practically nothing at all. Even when the priest is supposed to ask the people to pray with him that the sacrifice may be acceptable (“Orate fratres”) he didn’t even turn around and he said nothing at all that was audible from where I was. So “beautiful” is not a word I could possibly use about this Mass. I don’t understand the traditionalists who rave about the glory of the Traditional Mass. Sheer silence watching the back of the priest may have an austere Zen-like beauty of its own, I suppose.

Yes, I know this was a Low Mass and a High Mass would be very different. But I don’t understand what is lost by the people saying the responses, or by the priest saying at least parts of the Mass in a voice audible by the people.

In Christ,

Edwin

There is always the OPTION: Nuns in leotards in thier 70’s dancing liturgically, and the priest saying he is ONLY the presider, also for more excitement, bagels can be used to consecrate or pizza, as I have seen in a couple of NOVUS ORDO masses: in which the actual RUBRICS OF POPE PAUL VI was not followed, actually the Council said latin was to be maintained: THE NOVUS ORDO IN LATIN.

Podo2004 · Dec 9, 2004

misericordie:

Have you ACTUALLY been to VARIOUS Tridentine Masses, are you just in hear say. Anyway, okay there ARE actually those who love liturgical dancers, and the poka masses too.

I realise that and i’m not one of them…
(sigh) misericordie if you actually went to a new mass(that doesn’t include what you mentioned above) then you might think before saying stuff like that.
Podo
GOD BLESS THE NOVUS ORDO MASS!!!

misericordie · Dec 9, 2004

Podo2004:

No you’re not going to hell for celebrating the No. Mass… honestly…how could someone go to hell for celebrating THE most joyful,beautiful and reverant mass?
Podo

I had to laugh forgive me when you said: “THE most beutiful and reverant mass.” Well, that’s if you like nuns in leotards ages 7-78 liturgically dancing or women in bikinis with only a white transparent short skirt as they dance “for the lord.” smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_123v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_123v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_102.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_122.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_122.gif

khkhk · Dec 9, 2004

misericordie:

I had to laugh forgive me when you said: “THE most beutiful and reverant mass.” Well, that’s if you like nuns in leotards ages 7-78 liturgically dancing or women in bikinis with only a white transparent short skirt as they dance “for the lord.” smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_123v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_123v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_102.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_122.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_122.gif

Well, I think if that’s what you’ve been to, YOU NEED TO FIND A NEW CHURCH!!! You can’t judge the N.O. mass according to one church…there is a church near my place that is really messed up too, but that’s not the real N.O. mass!

katolik · Dec 9, 2004

Podo2004:

Why would i attend the old mass when i have the new mass?! I’ve heard about it and i like the new ways better anyway. We are in the present and i attend the normal mass. It’s like saying buy the first computer ever made and try it instead of the new computer. I have accepted change(Vatican II) and am happen with it.
Podo

No, your analogy is flawed. A computer is a machine, and nonliving, while the TLM is part of the Tradition of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Tradition is livng, not a dead think in history books.

Podo2004 · Dec 9, 2004

misericordie:

Regarding the Tridentine Latin Mass: the BEUTIFUL Mass, which since 1988 Pope John Paul II has requested Bishops provide the Indult for(the Mass BEFORE Vatican II) information can be requested at: www.ecclesiadei.org

Ahh well, just to let you know that i don’t really care if you laugh when i say Beautiful and Reverent mass because i know im right(probably will make you laugh again but then again you laugh for stupid reasons so…)anyways the fact that you can’t spell makes it even more funnier… if the TLM is really Beutiful then the No. Mass is Beautiful.
Podo

Podo2004 · Dec 9, 2004

khkhk:

Well, I think if that’s what you’ve been to, YOU NEED TO FIND A NEW CHURCH!!! You can’t judge the N.O. mass according to one church…there is a church near my place that is really messed up too, but that’s not the real N.O. mass!

Sarah i wouldn’t advise you to shout at misericordie because he doesn’t understand
Podo

mgy100 · Dec 9, 2004

Misercordia, sit back and please read your posts.

katolik · Dec 9, 2004

Podo and y’all:

This is a discussion forum and therefore be ready to defend your claims. Please give concrete evidence for one or the other side. Since this is a very important topic,please debate without resorting to insulting the minitiuae of other person’s posts.
podo/khhksk/and tohers, give concrete evidence
podo, show us a picture of your parish Mass so we can judge its reverence
misericordie,
enough with those annoying smilies

misericordie · Dec 9, 2004

Podo2004:

Ahh well, just to let you know that i don’t really care if you laugh when i say Beautiful and Reverent mass because i know im right(probably will make you laugh again but then again you laugh for stupid reasons so…)anyways the fact that you can’t spell makes it even more funnier… if the TLM is really Beutiful then the No. Mass is Beautiful.
Podo

bear06 · Dec 9, 2004

He’s just ranting again and I imagine trying to bait some into losing their temper. Not exactly good PR for the Tridentine! Perfect example of why people like Amy might think twice about Traditionalists. Sad.

katolik · Dec 9, 2004

from the Merriam-Webster collegiate dictionary,tenth edition www.m-w.com ]

Definition of Reverence: noun 14 century
1: honor or respect felt or shown: deference esp : profound adoring awed respect
2 : a gesture of respect [as a bow]
3 : the state of being revered
4 : one held in reverence – as a title used for clergymen

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