Please explain differences in Masses

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bear06:
He’s just ranting again and I imagine trying to bait some into losing their temper. Not exactly good PR for the Tridentine! Perfect example of why people like Amy might think twice about Traditionalists. Sad.
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read my above post… for every action there is a reaction every podo has his misercordie
 
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misericordie:
Now I laugh LOUDER fthe fact that you seem to be focused on this forum as a composition 101 course, but cannot validate your arguments: I am still laughing, and dancing “beutiful and reverent.” smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_116.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_5_138.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_122.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_125.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_118.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_121.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_117.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_101.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1055.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1055.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_102.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_100.gif
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you can’t either, all you can do is laugh and start showing annoying smileys. I honestly don’t care whether you laugh.
 
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misericordie:
I had to laugh forgive me when you said: “THE most beutiful and reverant mass.” Well, that’s if you like nuns in leotards ages 7-78 liturgically dancing or women in bikinis with only a white transparent short skirt as they dance “for the lord.”
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I have tried to be nice to you and give you the benefit of the doubt, but, I realize more and more what a hypocrate you can be… I asked one time if you where SSPX and you where pretty offended by that… It was a generalization that probably wasn’t fair… You tend to generalize about NO masses constantly. You just don’t get it. What would you do if your TLM mass wasn’t okayed? Would you become SSPX, my guess is yes… It isn’t about the Church for you it is about the style.
 
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katolik:
Sadly, your church is the excpetion but Fr.Kosnac did ask for the TLM at his parish, but was denied by the Archbishop. Anyway God Bless Father Kosnac!
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Why the exception? Have you been to every NO church in the world? Quit generalizing…
 
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Pandora:
Amy I think the demand for the TLM is also forcing Bishops to clean up the abuses in the NO Mass. Yes I have gone to very reverant NO Masses. One was in a very poor Church in NY City this summer with a Hatian priest. I just wish he stayed in French as he would unthinkly start in French and then switch back to English. It was the English service. 🙂 Oh well. He did give a very nice homily. We also kneeled for commmunion with the priest. Ah brings back my childhood. We even had bells.
Kathy
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There is a purpose for everything and I agree certain things need to be cleaned up… Catholics also need to know more about their faith and why things are done through out the Mass… it is so detailed and beautiful… I am in love with my religon… It is interesting to me how some of the people who tend to be more progressive tend to be pretty intimidated by these priest coming into their parishs and whooping them into shape. I think actually most of the posters NO and TLM here are wanting the same thing, reverance… Some reach it in different ways. We need to support eachother. This thread has gotten way off topic.
 
If you came to my parish, you would also experience a beautiful NO. Mass too. Every month there are many vistors and our priest makes them feel welcome. You know AmyS? It’s my favorite cup of tea, the No. Mass:D . S’ok with me as long as others don’t forget about it and accept the change.
God Bless You Amy
Podo:blessyou:
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Good post, thanks Podo…
 
:Why do you think the new Mass was created? To address the very points you suggest.:

But it doesn’t. The Novus Ordo as I’ve usually seen it celebrated guts the beauty of the Mass. To my taste, they both err in essentially the same way–both keep from the people the full glory of the Sacred Liturgy–one by mumbling it incomprehensibly, the other by translating it into a prosaic, butchered language.

I’d like to see a liturgy celebrated the way Vatican II actually called for it. Actually I have seen this once in the flesh in a Catholic church–a Novus Ordo Latin mass in Munich. EWTN also does a good job IMHO. And my old Episcopal parish in NC would have been a great post-Vatican-II parish if it was in communion with Rome.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
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AmyS:
I have tried to be nice to you and give you the benefit of the doubt, but, I realize more and more what a hypocrate you can be… I asked one time if you where SSPX and you where pretty offended by that… It was a generalization that probably wasn’t fair… You tend to generalize about NO masses constantly. You just don’t get it. What would you do if your TLM mass wasn’t okayed? Would you become SSPX, my guess is yes… It isn’t about the Church for you it is about the style.
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Hard words to call me a hypocrite, but that’s okay: you arguments just lost all credibility in everyone’s eyes because of that.
Well what’s wrong with style?? TLM, yes STYLE. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_107.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_215.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_200.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_102.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_215.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_209.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_2.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_5.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_1.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_10.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_19_1.gif
 
misericordie: all the emoticons you use have long since lost their amusement value. Can you say -overkill?

The only person your entertaining is your self, although I doubt that bothers you.
 
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misericordie:
Hard words to call me a hypocrite, but that’s okay: you arguments just lost all credibility in everyone’s eyes because of that.
Well what’s wrong with style?? TLM, yes STYLE.
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There is nothing wrong with style if you admit that is what it is, a preferance of style… How ever you present it there is no change in the existance of our Lord in the Eucharist, there is nothing like a good, reverant Mass period. The Eucharist is the beauty in it all. And, I really don’t believe I have lost creditability with anyone… I think over all I have been real fair… Again, TLM and NO can both be beautiful… But, you know what I am thinking while I post this, it really doesn’t matter if you like NO… Your judgements do though.
 
I want to sincerely apoligize if I have been rude in any way to anyone here. Sincerely it was not my intention.
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 I must remember that Christ is whom we seek to serve.
  I again apoligize to every single poster here.
 
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misericordie:
I want to sincerely apoligize if I have been rude in any way to anyone here. Sincerely it was not my intention.

I must remember that Christ is whom we seek to serve.
I again apoligize to every single poster here.
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NOTE: I will no longer post on this thread.
Many blessings to all.
 
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misericordie:
NOTE: I will no longer post on this thread.
Many blessings to all.
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misericordie, your signature really is great, I will keep it in focus. many blessing to you too…
 
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RBushlow:
To expand even farther, there are the Byzantine, Maronite, Meklite, Coptic, and other Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgies as well.
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(S)he asked about Masses…
 
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katolik:
No, and no.
The condemnation of the TLM[a la Franciscum] is harmful to yours soul and the CHurch. Hoping the Traditonal Latin Mass will die away is not conductive to your salvation, ne c’est pas?

I another sense of the word “hell” I speak of, is the madness currently rampant in the Church,such as which this forum has many examples. Here’s some examples “Should the Precious Blood be distributed in flasks or chalices? should we kneel or not kneel for the Eucharist? EHMC blessing children? Protestant Music at Mass” and most succintly “Is our Mass valid?” This is anarachy, pure and simple. How amny more years of this must we have?
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Postings like your’s are a prime reason why some people view the tlm with caution.

Sadly, the tlm often draws fringe groups and individuals. People who focus on what is wrong with the Church and not what is right with the Church. I refer to them as the “bitter bunker-mentality bunch.”

I personally enjoy attending the tlm on a regular basis, but I consciencely avoid the chat sessions before and afterwards that focus not on their love of Christ, but their hatred and disdain of “Mahony.”

I have read where more than one parish is dropping their tlm because of low attendance, not because of the other excuses (secret vendettas, etc.) some of the extreme crowd tries to sell.

No, I don’t believe it’s the tlm that’s keeping people away. It’s the regulars who are such a turn-off that are keeping peeople away.

Touting the benefits of head-coverings for women and the believed panacea effects of the tlm will never be a substitute for loving Christ and that shows in so many situations…
 
Contarini said:
:Why do you think the new Mass was created? To address the very points you suggest.:

But it doesn’t. The Novus Ordo as I’ve usually seen it celebrated guts the beauty of the Mass. To my taste, they both err in essentially the same way–both keep from the people the full glory of the Sacred Liturgy–one by mumbling it incomprehensibly, the other by translating it into a prosaic, butchered language.

I’d like to see a liturgy celebrated the way Vatican II actually called for it. Actually I have seen this once in the flesh in a Catholic church–a Novus Ordo Latin mass in Munich. EWTN also does a good job IMHO. And my old Episcopal parish in NC would have been a great post-Vatican-II parish if it was in communion with Rome.

In Christ,

Edwin
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This is also true of the TLM, sad to say. It would have been great to film some TLMs prior to V2 to see just how “reverent” they were. “Not very” is my guess…
 
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