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Patrick2340
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Abuse is possible at any Mass - TLM or NOM. We have all heard of or seen NOM’s filled with abuses. I have been at Indult TLMs with abuses as well.
Fringe groups and people you say? There are fringe groups and people at both the TLM and the NOM. They focus on what is wrong with the Church in their opinions. At the TLM they are characterized by those unable to see the Holy Father as anything but a traitor, who are extremely uncharitable towards fellow Catholics and Catholic clergy, and who place their own perspectives above that of the Church. At the NOM, they are characterized by those who somehow misconstrue Vatican II as a carte blanche to radical change in Catholic doctrine and practice. They see the Church as being prime territory for extreme social engineering.
Certainly there are problems in the Church. No reasonable Catholic can deny this. Reasonable, prudent, and orthodox Catholics should recognize these problems and work (and pray) to repair them. Insulting each other, deprecating certain Masses (TLM, NOM, etc.) is the work of Satan. Where there is division, there is the devil. Bickering amongst ourselves accomplishes nothing. Its time we respected each other’s liturgical preferences.
The NOM, like it or not, is the normative rite of Mass for Holy Mother Church. When done properly, it can be a beautiful sacrifice. Perhaps there are those who are fortunate enough to have a properly done NOM. I have been to many, many NOM parishes through the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, the Diocese of Green Bay, and the Diocese of Gary. I have yet to find a single NOM that is not afflicted by abuses.
The TLM can be abused as well. I’ve been to Indult TLMs fraught with abuses. Contrary to the opinions (or perhaps wishful thinking) of some, the TLM is growing in popularity. However, I sincerely doubt that the popularity of the TLM is nearly as widespread or massive as many Trads would like you to think.
In 2002 the Vatican established an Apostolic Administration for the Society of St. John Vianney in the diocese of Campos, Brazil. The S.S.J.V. was in a situation similar to that of the S.S.P.X. until they were regularized by Rome. They are led by Bishop Fernando Areas Rifan. The Apostolic Administration is essentially an independent diocese operating within the diocese of Campos and a couple of surrounding dioceses.
As far as traditional groups in communion with Rome, I can tell you that the F.S.S.P. and I.C.K. have ordained twenty new priests this year alone. Both have many seminarians in formation with plans to expand their seminaries. The Institute of Christ the King this year announced the formation of a traditional religious society for women. The Institute has two missions in Africa, three apostolates in Wisconsin, one in Rockford, Illinois, Cardinal George has recently invited the Institute to revitalize a defunct inner-city parish in Chicago, and Archbishop Burke has invited them to take over a parish in St. Louis.
The F.S.S.P. has two seminaries. One is in Wigratzbad, Germany, and the other in Denton, Nebraska. The Fraternity is present in more than 50 dioceses spread over 15 countries and four continents. The F.S.S.P. currently has nearly 170 priests and 120 seminarians in formation.
These numbers hardly suggest that the TLM is dying out.
Fringe groups and people you say? There are fringe groups and people at both the TLM and the NOM. They focus on what is wrong with the Church in their opinions. At the TLM they are characterized by those unable to see the Holy Father as anything but a traitor, who are extremely uncharitable towards fellow Catholics and Catholic clergy, and who place their own perspectives above that of the Church. At the NOM, they are characterized by those who somehow misconstrue Vatican II as a carte blanche to radical change in Catholic doctrine and practice. They see the Church as being prime territory for extreme social engineering.
Certainly there are problems in the Church. No reasonable Catholic can deny this. Reasonable, prudent, and orthodox Catholics should recognize these problems and work (and pray) to repair them. Insulting each other, deprecating certain Masses (TLM, NOM, etc.) is the work of Satan. Where there is division, there is the devil. Bickering amongst ourselves accomplishes nothing. Its time we respected each other’s liturgical preferences.
The NOM, like it or not, is the normative rite of Mass for Holy Mother Church. When done properly, it can be a beautiful sacrifice. Perhaps there are those who are fortunate enough to have a properly done NOM. I have been to many, many NOM parishes through the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, the Diocese of Green Bay, and the Diocese of Gary. I have yet to find a single NOM that is not afflicted by abuses.
The TLM can be abused as well. I’ve been to Indult TLMs fraught with abuses. Contrary to the opinions (or perhaps wishful thinking) of some, the TLM is growing in popularity. However, I sincerely doubt that the popularity of the TLM is nearly as widespread or massive as many Trads would like you to think.
In 2002 the Vatican established an Apostolic Administration for the Society of St. John Vianney in the diocese of Campos, Brazil. The S.S.J.V. was in a situation similar to that of the S.S.P.X. until they were regularized by Rome. They are led by Bishop Fernando Areas Rifan. The Apostolic Administration is essentially an independent diocese operating within the diocese of Campos and a couple of surrounding dioceses.
As far as traditional groups in communion with Rome, I can tell you that the F.S.S.P. and I.C.K. have ordained twenty new priests this year alone. Both have many seminarians in formation with plans to expand their seminaries. The Institute of Christ the King this year announced the formation of a traditional religious society for women. The Institute has two missions in Africa, three apostolates in Wisconsin, one in Rockford, Illinois, Cardinal George has recently invited the Institute to revitalize a defunct inner-city parish in Chicago, and Archbishop Burke has invited them to take over a parish in St. Louis.
The F.S.S.P. has two seminaries. One is in Wigratzbad, Germany, and the other in Denton, Nebraska. The Fraternity is present in more than 50 dioceses spread over 15 countries and four continents. The F.S.S.P. currently has nearly 170 priests and 120 seminarians in formation.
These numbers hardly suggest that the TLM is dying out.
