Poll: Majority of Australian Catholics back same sex marriage
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ATraveller
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Should a Christian be concerned with being popular and trendy or following Christ?
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NonTimendum
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We’re obviously not doing enough meeting people on the perhiperies and encountering enough.
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mdgspencer
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I doubt that this poll, from a group promoting gay marriage in Australia, and coming out with it as a tool to use on Catholics there to get them to vote for it, is accurate.
“Marriage equality advocates will use the findings of this poll to encourage Australia’s 5 million Catholics to ignore directives from the church’s leadership and instead vote with their conscience,” according to an article in favor of gay marriage published in “The Advocate.”
To know it is reliable, I would want to know about the methodology of this poll. All I could find out that this poll was conducted online, not that it is a poll of a representative sample of Catholics in Australia.
I would trust more a scientifically made poll made by a reputable polling group.
Still, the drive to allow gay marriage in Australia may succeed. We should pray for God to help the people in Australia.
“Marriage equality advocates will use the findings of this poll to encourage Australia’s 5 million Catholics to ignore directives from the church’s leadership and instead vote with their conscience,” according to an article in favor of gay marriage published in “The Advocate.”
To know it is reliable, I would want to know about the methodology of this poll. All I could find out that this poll was conducted online, not that it is a poll of a representative sample of Catholics in Australia.
I would trust more a scientifically made poll made by a reputable polling group.
Still, the drive to allow gay marriage in Australia may succeed. We should pray for God to help the people in Australia.
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reggieM
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ShrodingersCat
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The split in Ireland among Catholics was about 70% pro gay marriage. Because unless you are actively following the church’s teaching yourself, in particular regarding contraception, why would you be against gay marriage?
Most people don’t think much past the ‘love is love’ slogan.
To be perfectly honest I struggle to articulate my reasons to be against it from a secular viewpoint. If I (practicing catholic who voted no to gay marriage in the Irish referendum) find the secular arguments difficult to explain or quantify I’m not surprised others arent convinced.
Most people don’t think much past the ‘love is love’ slogan.
To be perfectly honest I struggle to articulate my reasons to be against it from a secular viewpoint. If I (practicing catholic who voted no to gay marriage in the Irish referendum) find the secular arguments difficult to explain or quantify I’m not surprised others arent convinced.
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reggieM
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Exactly.
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Roseeurekacross
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There is a real vote, in September.
This alleged poll, sampled 1000 people online.
Hardly accurate or reflective, given it sampled those already into the yes vote.
The polling was commissioned by the Equality Campaign. It was conducted last week by Jim Reed of Newgate Research, formerly of Liberal-aligned Crosby/Textor, and surveyed 1000 people online.
They were asked: “If you were to vote, do you think that you would vote ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to allowing same-sex couples to marry in Australia?” Respondents had to choose between “yes” and “no”.
This alleged poll, sampled 1000 people online.
Hardly accurate or reflective, given it sampled those already into the yes vote.
The polling was commissioned by the Equality Campaign. It was conducted last week by Jim Reed of Newgate Research, formerly of Liberal-aligned Crosby/Textor, and surveyed 1000 people online.
They were asked: “If you were to vote, do you think that you would vote ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to allowing same-sex couples to marry in Australia?” Respondents had to choose between “yes” and “no”.
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Lion_IRC
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Online survey? LOL
Wot a joke!
Besides, when secular atheists talk about opinion poll demographics and Christianity they invariably dismiss those Christians as “not real Christians” because they don’t go to church often enough.
But here we see (online) poll results making news headlines. Why?
Yep - you guessed it!
#LGBTQ #fixation
You know, way back when the gay marriage juggernaught was just getting started, religious and moral objections were raised sincerely and of course shouted down. And as it has become increasingly obvious that judicial activism and politically correct brainwashing won’t ever stop, and that even if democratic parliaments do vote down SSM like Australia did in 2012, the gay lobby just keeps coming back over and over relentlessly demanding the same thing. (Argumentum ad nauseum)
But how many Christians strongly opposed to SSM now take the view that it’s all over? I do.
I have shrugged my shoulders so-to-speak and come to the conclusion that the type of “marriage” secular authorities so freely define according the whatever zeitgeist direction the wind is blowing in is NOT the same thing as biblical theists refer to as a sacrament from God.
If secular, hedonistic, mammon-worshipping, man-made, political authorities decide to call two men, or three men, (or a goat and a man) “married”, what exactly is the point of me defending heterosexual, sacramental monogamy? We aren’t even comparing apples with apples. If caesar says a man can “marry” his horse (like Caligula) do I really gain anything by remonstrating with him about the definition of marriage? No. So go ahead gay folks. Get “married”. You’ve rendered the word meaningless. So what do I care?
Go ahead LGBTQ folks. Knock yourselves out. If you care that much about what man-made secular governments think of your relationship/sexuality/love you can have the word “marriage”. I’ll use a different word for the institution which God invented and which only God can sanction.
If a puny man-made government told me the Church marriage vows my wife and I made in the presence of our God and Fr Tom in 1985 weren’t ‘legal’ I wouldnt be demanding marriage “equality”. I wouldn’t demean my soul mate by saying that our relationship required the approval of politicians.
Wot a joke!
Besides, when secular atheists talk about opinion poll demographics and Christianity they invariably dismiss those Christians as “not real Christians” because they don’t go to church often enough.
But here we see (online) poll results making news headlines. Why?
Yep - you guessed it!
#LGBTQ #fixation
You know, way back when the gay marriage juggernaught was just getting started, religious and moral objections were raised sincerely and of course shouted down. And as it has become increasingly obvious that judicial activism and politically correct brainwashing won’t ever stop, and that even if democratic parliaments do vote down SSM like Australia did in 2012, the gay lobby just keeps coming back over and over relentlessly demanding the same thing. (Argumentum ad nauseum)
But how many Christians strongly opposed to SSM now take the view that it’s all over? I do.
I have shrugged my shoulders so-to-speak and come to the conclusion that the type of “marriage” secular authorities so freely define according the whatever zeitgeist direction the wind is blowing in is NOT the same thing as biblical theists refer to as a sacrament from God.
If secular, hedonistic, mammon-worshipping, man-made, political authorities decide to call two men, or three men, (or a goat and a man) “married”, what exactly is the point of me defending heterosexual, sacramental monogamy? We aren’t even comparing apples with apples. If caesar says a man can “marry” his horse (like Caligula) do I really gain anything by remonstrating with him about the definition of marriage? No. So go ahead gay folks. Get “married”. You’ve rendered the word meaningless. So what do I care?
Go ahead LGBTQ folks. Knock yourselves out. If you care that much about what man-made secular governments think of your relationship/sexuality/love you can have the word “marriage”. I’ll use a different word for the institution which God invented and which only God can sanction.
If a puny man-made government told me the Church marriage vows my wife and I made in the presence of our God and Fr Tom in 1985 weren’t ‘legal’ I wouldnt be demanding marriage “equality”. I wouldn’t demean my soul mate by saying that our relationship required the approval of politicians.
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Lion_IRC
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morningmail.org/australian-politicians-lower-shonky-used-car-salesman/
These are the people whose approval LGBTQ folks crave to validate their “marriage”.
These are the people whose approval LGBTQ folks crave to validate their “marriage”.
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phil19034
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As with a number of polls in the US, including people who don’t attend and infrequently attend Church skews the results.
Catholics should be broken into two categories:
Catholics should be broken into two categories:
- weekly mass attending Catholics
- Catholics who attend less frequently than weekly.
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ConfusedTim
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This really is already a David and Goliath fight with the traditional marriage being the David. The pro SSM brigade have enormous firepower which is currently being cranked up. Apart from most of the media, they also have business and local governments using taxpayers money to back SSM. For example, in Sydney the local council has given free space in offices to the SSM advocates and is about to deck the city centre with banners and leaflets (tax payer funded) to promote SSM.
With mass attendance at about 10% its no wonder that Catholics will disregard church teaching and vote for SSM. With this in mind, its sad that the pro SSM side also revert to dirty tricks. The tactic being employed is to make the average Catholic (who may be wavering) think that they will be out of step and a jerk because everyone else is voting for SSM, The fact is that the poll mentioned was online with a huge margin of error (8%) and this means its not very robust. However, that doesn’t really matter because the pro SSM side have now got its message out there and because it also controls the media, few people will question its authentic.
With mass attendance at about 10% its no wonder that Catholics will disregard church teaching and vote for SSM. With this in mind, its sad that the pro SSM side also revert to dirty tricks. The tactic being employed is to make the average Catholic (who may be wavering) think that they will be out of step and a jerk because everyone else is voting for SSM, The fact is that the poll mentioned was online with a huge margin of error (8%) and this means its not very robust. However, that doesn’t really matter because the pro SSM side have now got its message out there and because it also controls the media, few people will question its authentic.
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_Abyssinia
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It would have been interesting to see what the results would have been if they had polled practicing Catholics who went to Church weekly vs all Catholics whether actively practicing or not. I presume the poll done was done on all Catholics including those who are both practicing and non-practicing.
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J_Peterson
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I think the Church will lose this fight and the Kingdom of God will continue unabated.
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_Abyssinia
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Same-sex marriage is an affront to God. Whether Australia legalises same-sex marriage or not, the Church in Australia and across the world will continue to oppose it and to speak out against it.
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edwest2
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Here is Church teaching.
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
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vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
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Peebo
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Only a small minority of Australian Catholics attend weekly mass…many don’t attend at all…so why would anyone expect the majority to follow church teaching on SSM…and this is not just an Australian problem…the whole of western Catholicism (and Christianity in general) seems to be suffering the same fate…and SSM is just part of the problem facing the Catholic church…the divorce rate among Catholics…those divorced who live together without an annulment…or those who just live together without ever getting married…so marriage is not a shining example to hold up among Catholics or Christians of other denominations who are against SSM…personally I think the only thing that would alter the way the world is headed would be a direct intervention by God…even then many might have already hardened their hearts against God…just as Pharaoh ignored the warning signs.
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edwest2
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It took 40 years to get here. It was all planned this way by groups that emerged after Vatican II and launched a coordinated attack against Christianity in the West. Moral media was gradually, like drops of poison, changed into immoral media. This was dripped into our veins slowly so we wouldn’t notice. Honestly, if TV in the 1960s was turned into what’s on TV today - overnight. People would have noticed – to put it mildly.
The same with Marriage. No-Fault Divorce invented out of thin air. Christians asked for that? Just like this issue. Invented out of thin air and marketed like a product.
It must be OK then. God forbid.
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_Abyssinia
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It was reported in 2013 that as of 2011, only 12.2% of Catholics went to Church weekly in Australia: theage.com.au/victoria/a-thinning-flock-of-catholics-at-alltime-low-20130922-2u81i.html
I think in most cases if a Catholic attends Church weekly they are probably more likely to have views in line with Church teaching on same-sex marriage etc. than those who do not, and weekly Church attendance is quite low in Australia.
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