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M-Dent
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It can be a very seductive proposal!
** “God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God” (Gen 3:5)**
Poll: majority of Catholics who attend Mass weekly support same-sex marriage, women's ordination [CWN]
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** “God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God” (Gen 3:5)**
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Country_Gal
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Yes, there are many Catholics who believe that State sanctioned gay ‘marriage’ is okay, but they don’t think the Catholic Church needs to approve of it.
As far as women priests, once you have women priests you really accelerate the female dominated tendency of churches. I think there’s more a practical reason for reserving the priesthood for men. I was going to a tiny Episcopal Church that had a woman pastor, and basically, no men were even attending anymore, save one husband of one of the ladies.
As far as women priests, once you have women priests you really accelerate the female dominated tendency of churches. I think there’s more a practical reason for reserving the priesthood for men. I was going to a tiny Episcopal Church that had a woman pastor, and basically, no men were even attending anymore, save one husband of one of the ladies.
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livingwordunity
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“The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” - 2 Thessalonian 2:9-12
“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” - 2 Thessalonian 2:15
“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” - 2 Thessalonian 2:15
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Slaney
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This was the old Mosaic Law, some of it has transcended, some hasn’t, the ones I quoted are still up-held by the Catholic Church, EphelDuath has given some useful links…
Just wondering if you’ve ever visited this website ?
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Jessie5000
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hmmm… you judge so easy. I hope you are never judged accordingly…
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LiberalPrincess
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Well, I’m not going to respond to everything you are throwing at me in that rant-esqe post. I don’t see what the Reformation has anything to do with what I said.
I do not see the gay marriage debate as a “religious” or “Catholic” issue. The Vatican can teach and approve what it wants like it always has, and churches should be FREE to define marriage as a union only between a man and a woman.
It becomes problematic when traditionalists try to deny others the legal protections under the state that they claim for their own. Period. It really is that simple. You don’t have to agree with homosexuality. You don’t have to like it, but don’t try to deny equal protections under the state to others based on personal religious convictions.
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Jessie5000
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You are right, it is hard to be hard of heart. At one time the church excommunicate a person for believing the earth was not the centre of the universe. Today, science is providing pretty good evidence homosexuality is innate and are teaching might adapt as it has to other scientific facts - Time will tell. Regardless, we are all called to love others and not judge individuals as that is Christ’s job on his return.
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Jessie5000
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It would be interesting to have them poll our clergy given that between 30 - 50% are gay depending on their geographic setting. Because their averages are so much higher than the general population, I would assume their support for homosexuality would also be greater. At least most Catholic theologians believe the issue, along with birth control and the role of women needs to be looked at again.
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LiberalPrincess
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The results would be interesting. They should also poll younger millennial Catholics. I suspect a majority would support marriage equality.
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EphelDuath
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It’s not churches that have defined marriage as between one man and one woman – it’s an inherent law of nature. Defying it leads to a severe disruption of the common good, as it leads to the unhappiness of those in homosexual relationships themselves, in addition to misraising of children; AND the more it becomes recognized, the more and more discrimination against Christians will be the norm.Well, I’m not going to respond to everything you are throwing at me in that rant-esqe post. I don’t see what the Reformation has anything to do with what I said.
I do not see the gay marriage debate as a “religious” or “Catholic” issue. The Vatican can teach and approve what it wants, and churches should be FREE to define marriage as a union only between a man and a woman.
It becomes problematic when traditionalists try to deny others the legal protections under the state that they claim for their own. Period. It really is that simple. You don’t have to agree with homosexuality. You don’t have to like it, but don’t try to deny equal protections under the state to others based on personal religious convictions.
Therefore the government should not recognize gay ‘marriage’. Any Christian who advocates that it does, will be held accountable before almighty God.
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Bookcat
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Those who do need this:
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20090628_chius-anno-paolino_en.html (read to end)
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20090628_chius-anno-paolino_en.html (read to end)
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Bookcat
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Thanks:thumbsup:
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bilop
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It doesn’t matter if homosexuality is innate or learned.
The tendency to commit adultery may well have genetic causes; that still wouldn’t make it right.
God Bless
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EphelDuath
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Marriage equality was achieved a generation ago, when the last vestiges of discrimination against interracial couples was abolished.
The false “equality” that secularists seek today is nothing more than a slogan to endorse a sex-centered lifestyle. No love, no accountability, no truth: just maximum sexual pleasure. If marriage is twisted to refer to a non-reproductive institution then it is thoroughly meaningless, and the injustices against people who resist the tidal wave is only beginning.
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Slaney
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I’m not judging, I’m quoting what I read in the Bible, we judge people everyday, courts of law do it etc; only God judges a soul, Priests administer advice in the Confessional, Jesus told the woman, "go away and sin no more " that’s not judging, it’s correcting and directing her along the narrow road.
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livingwordunity
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“But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth.” - 2 Timothy 3:1-7
“If any one refuses to obey what we say in this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.” - 2 Thessalonian 3:14-15
“If any one refuses to obey what we say in this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.” - 2 Thessalonian 3:14-15
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bilop
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There is zero evidence for that “fact”.
No Catholic theologians in good standing believe any of those things need to be looked at again. All are settled doctrine.
Homosexual relations and artificial contraception are intrinsically wrong. The ordination of women is an impossibility.
The Church teaches these things, and has always taught these things. No one has any authority to change them. Not a Pope, not a Council.
Anyone who attempted to change them would be committing heresy, and would vacate their ecclesiastical office.
God Bless
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EphelDuath
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Very prophetic that “lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God” immediately precedes “holding the form of religion but denying the power of it”.
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Jeanne_S
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Your thumbs up at the original post led me to believe that you are on board with female priests,SSmarriage,etc.Now if I misunderstood and you don’t support those issues as a faithful Catholic,then I apologize.Well, I’m not going to respond to everything you are throwing at me in that rant-esqe post. I don’t see what the Reformation has anything to do with what I said.
I do not see the gay marriage debate as a “religious” or “Catholic” issue. The Vatican can teach and approve what it wants like it always has, and churches should be FREE to define marriage as a union only between a man and a woman.
It becomes problematic when traditionalists try to deny others the legal protections under the state that they claim for their own. Period. It really is that simple. You don’t have to agree with homosexuality. You don’t have to like it, but don’t try to deny equal protections under the state to others based on personal religious convictions.
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EphelDuath
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You mentioned homosexuality and contraception. Interesting that you didn’t also mention abortion, since that’s the ultimatum of the secular lifestyle which eschews any personal obligations or responsibility vis-a-vis contraception and homosexual ‘marriage’.
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