Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim

[Via_Dolorosa]

Clearly not a practicing Christian? What makes one a practicing Christian, is it the ability to superciliously spread lies and innuendos and disrespect for an individual’s stated faith, while we float about with gleaming halos?

So it appears.
Didn’t Christ ask us to pray in silence and not tell anyone we are praying. Hmmmm sounds like commie pinko talk to me. What do you think?

 

[seekerz]

So it appears.
Didn’t Christ ask us to pray in silence and not tell anyone we are praying. Hmmmm sounds like commie pinko talk to me. What do you think?

I’m just a bit surprised to find that Church attendance seems to be the pre-eminent criterion for deciding who is and is not a Christian…Similarly, parentage seems to be the main criterion for deciding who is a Muslim, regardless of what an individual professes.

With regard to the latter, I never thought I’d see the day the legacy of Billy Graham would change (theologically speaking), but apparently it has.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Maybe we’re all wrong and Barack is really a scientologist who speaks Espiranto?

I’m just a bit surprised to find that Church attendance seems to be the pre-eminent criterion for deciding who is and is not a Christian…Similarly, parentage seems to be the main criterion for deciding who is a Muslim, regardless of what an individual professes.

With regard to the latter, I never thought I’d see the day the legacy of Billy Graham would change (theologically speaking), but apparently it has.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Didn’t Christ ask us to pray in silence and not tell anyone we are praying.

He also taught that [BIBLEDRB]Matt 18:20[/BIBLEDRB] [BIBLEDRB]Acts 2:42-46[/BIBLEDRB]I

Hmmmm sounds like commie pinko talk to me. What do you think?

Could you clarify please?

 

[qui_est_ce]

I’m just a bit surprised to find that Church attendance seems to be the pre-eminent criterion for deciding who is and is not a Christian…Similarly, parentage seems to be the main criterion for deciding who is a Muslim, regardless of what an individual professes.

From what I’ve read here, it’s more his actions, not necessarily his church attendance. He supports embryonic stem cell research, he supports legal abortion, even to the point of recommending his own daughter have one if caught with an inconvenient pregnancy. He support killing survivors of botched abortions.

A Christian is judged on actions, not words.

 

[zdon011]

I’ll give a few more examples of this phenomenon:

Abe Lincoln was an exemplary president
Keynesian stimulus works
We can’t seal the border

Want more?

:twocents:
‘Humans have outgrown religion’/‘Science has proved religion wrong’
‘Christianity is all about fear of Hell’
'Catholics are evil, ‘cos they started the Crusades OR burned millions of witches/heretics OR repressed women’
‘[Social conservatives] are stupid/ignorant/ill-educated/Nazis’
‘Once saved, always saved’
‘Sola fide, sola scriptura’
‘It’s my body’
‘Catholics are pagan idolaters’/‘The Pope backed the Nazis’
‘How could people go to Hell for loving each other?’ (spoken in a whining, pathetic tone)
‘Communism is essentially a good idea’
‘White traders wiped out Indians with smallpox blankets’ (COMPLETE LIE)

More will come to mind, if I try to recall…

 

[seekerz]

From what I’ve read here, it’s more his actions, not necessarily his church attendance. He supports embryonic stem cell research, he supports legal abortion, even to the point of recommending his own daughter have one if caught with an inconvenient pregnancy. He support killing survivors of botched abortions.

A Christian is judged on actions, not words.

You do know that there are churches that tolerate abortion and support embryonic stem cell research right? As for the killing of abortion survivors, my understanding is that he felt the existing law was sufficient to deal with the matter.

Regardless of what you personally believe, there are evangelical churches which preach that once one sincerely confesses Christ, one is saved and can never be lost ***regardless *** of subsequent actions - so unless we are going to judge everybody by Catholic theology…What makes this ‘judging’ really hypocritical is when it is done by the “once saved always saved” Christians!

 

[qui_est_ce]

You do know that there are churches that tolerate abortion and support embryonic stem cell research right? As for the killing of abortion survivors, my understanding is that he felt the existing law was sufficient to deal with the matter.

Regardless of what you personally believe, there are evangelical churches which preach that once one sincerely confesses Christ, one is saved and can never be lost ***regardless *** of subsequent actions - so unless we are going to judge everybody by Catholic theology…What makes this ‘judging’ really hypocritical is when it is done by the “once saved always saved” Christians!

I guess I can’t argue there are churches of “me” out there. Maybe Obama is a church of “me” Christian.

Do you know what United Church of Christ teachings are? Are they Christian, in the sense of do they teach belief in the Trinity and the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins? I think we could agree that LDS and JW’s are not Christian, although they claim to be.

 

[seekerz]

I guess I can’t argue there are churches of “me” out there. Maybe Obama is a church of “me” Christian.

Do you know what United Church of Christ teachings are? Are they Christian, in the sense of do they teach belief in the Trinity and the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins? I think we could agree that LDS and JW’s are not Christian, although they claim to be.

We don’t even have to go to individual churches, I’ll leave that to the theologians. “Once saved, always saved” is standard, staple, mainstream (but by no means universal) evangelical theology. Which is what makes questioning of Obama’s faith especially hypocritical when it comes from said quarters. I mean they have his profession of faith on tape; according to their faith, that is all that is needed…

 

[qui_est_ce]

We don’t even have to go to individual churches, I’ll leave that to the theologians. “Once saved, always saved” is standard, staple, mainstream (but by no means universal) evangelical theology.

Well, at least I learned a bit more about Liberation Theology and Black Liberation Theology from this thread.

I’m not sure how “OSAS” applies to this situation, I don’t recall that he ever ascribed to this doctrine.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Do you know what United Church of Christ teachings are? Are they Christian, in the sense of do they teach belief in the Trinity and the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins? I think we could agree that LDS and JW’s are not Christian, although they claim to be.

It sounds like you can believe whatever you want to believe

What is the United Church of Christ?

The United Church of Christ came into being in 1957 with the union of two Protestant denominations: the Evangelical and Reformed Church and the Congregational Christian Churches. Each of these was, in turn, the result of a union of two earlier traditions.

Through the years, other groups such as American Indians, Afro-Christians, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, Volga Germans, Armenians, and Hispanic Americans have joined with the four earlier groups. In recent years, Christians from other traditions, including the Roman Catholic Church, have found a home in the UCC, and so have gay and lesbian Christians who have not been welcome in other churches. Thus the United Church of Christ celebrates and continues a broad variety of traditions in its common life.

What we believe

We can tell you more about the United Church of Christ with the help of seven phrases from Scripture and Tradition which express our commitments.

That they may all be one. [John 17:21] This motto of the United Church of Christ reflects the spirit of unity on which it is based and points toward future efforts to heal the divisions in the body of Christ. We are a uniting church as well as a united church.

In essentials unity, in non-essentials diversity, in all things charity. The unity that we seek requires neither an uncritical acceptance of any point of view, nor rigid formulation of doctrine. It does require mutual understanding and agreement as to which aspects of the Christian faith and life are essential.

The unity of the church is not of its own making. It is a gift of God. But expressions of that unity are as diverse as there are individuals. The common thread that runs through all is love.

Testimonies of faith rather than tests of faith. Because faith can be expressed in many different ways, the United Church of Christ has no formula that is a test of faith. Down through the centuries, however, Christians have shared their faith with one another through creeds, confessions, catechisms and other statements of faith. Historic statements such as the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, the Heidelberg Catechism, the Evangelical Catechism, the Augsburg Confession, the Cambridge Platform and the Kansas City Statement of Faith are valued in our church as authentic testimonies of faith. [See Beliefs for the complete texts of some of these testimonies.] In 1959, the General Synod of the United Church of Christ adopted a Statement of Faith prepared especially for congregations of the United Church. Many of us use this statement as a common affirmation of faith in worship and as a basis for study.

Responsible Freedom. As individual members of the Body of Christ, we are free to believe and act in accordance with our perception of God’s will for our lives. But we are called to live in a loving, covenantal relationship with one another—gathering in communities of faith, congregations of believers, local churches.

Each congregation or local church is free to act in accordance with the collective decision of its members, guided by the working of the Spirit in the light of the scriptures. But it also is called to live in a covenantal relationship with other congregations for the sharing of insights and for cooperative action under the authority of Christ.

To proclaim in word and action the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
To work for reconciliation and the unity of the broken Body of Christ.
To seek justice and liberation for all.

This is the challenge of the United Church of Christ.

For the sake of brevity, I didn’t quote the whole article.

From what I see, the last three are the basics. But it’s vague and subject to interpretation of the individual assemblies.

 

[seekerz]

Well, at least I learned a bit more about Liberation Theology and Black Liberation Theology from this thread.

I’m not sure how “OSAS” applies to this situation, I don’t recall that he ever ascribed to this doctrine.

How it applies is simply that the President is on record, describing his acceptance of Christ as his Lord and Savior…which according to OSAS is all you need to belong to Christ forever.

 

[qui_est_ce]

How it applies is simply that the President is on record, describing his acceptance of Christ as his Lord and Savior…which according to OSAS is all you need to belong to Christ forever.

Well I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior, and I’m not OSAS. The only church we know he ever attended was United Church of Christ, and you can pretty much believe whatever you want, as long as you fellowship in love. The rest of it is open to self-interpretation, for example, they accept practicing gays and lesbians, even though the Bible teaches against it, because they are fellowshipping in love.

He is not a Muslim, but I can see how he could identify with Muslims, because his father’s side of the family is Muslim. This is not a bad thing.

 

[seekerz]

Well I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior, and I’m not OSAS. The only church we know he ever attended was United Church of Christ, and you can pretty much believe whatever you want, as long as you fellowship in love. The rest of it is open to self-interpretation, for example, they accept practicing gays and lesbians, even though the Bible teaches against it, because they are fellowshipping in love.

He is not a Muslim, but I can see how he could identify with Muslims, because his father’s side of the family is Muslim. This is not a bad thing.

I don’t think it is a bad thing at all and if that’s the faith he chose, that would be all well and good. Thing is, others are seeking to do the choosing for him and then turning around and criticizing him for being what he isn’t. Christians obsessed with untruths about someone else’s personal choices is what is truly offensive.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I don’t think it is a bad thing at all and if that’s the faith he chose, that would be all well and good. Thing is, others are seeking to do the choosing for him and then turning around and criticizing him for being what he isn’t.

That’s a blanket statement, and I don’t think that’s a fair characterization of what people are doing.

Christians obsessed with untruths about someone else’s personal choices is what is truly offensive.

I’m not sure there is any more “obsessing” by Christians about his choices than there are Christians obsessed with he is not Muslim.

 

[Darryl1958]

From what I’ve read here, it’s more his actions, not necessarily his church attendance. He supports embryonic stem cell research, he supports legal abortion, even to the point of recommending his own daughter have one if caught with an inconvenient pregnancy. He support killing survivors of botched abortions.

A Christian is judged on actions, not words.

Culturally speaking, he certainly does appear to be more comfortable and at home at an Ramadan iftar than at any Evangelical dinner that he doesn’t attend anyways.
Where life begins is above his pay grade of course, but in that case abortion is better just in case it might not be killing.

 

[Sherry_G]

I remember thinking about this at the time it occured. I looked at the stage and saw the different posssibility of camera angles and thought that the last thing Obama needs now is to have an IHS over his head. The right wiing media was articulating the messiah message. Maybe the public relations people saw the same thing I did.
The choice you are giving is a false choice.

Gee, if that was the last thing he needed, wonder why he chose to speak at Georgetown at all??? Kinda makes your analasys seem a little off, IMO.

 

[zdon011]

From what I’ve read here, it’s more his actions, not necessarily his church attendance. He supports embryonic stem cell research, he supports legal abortion, even to the point of recommending his own daughter have one if caught with an inconvenient pregnancy. He support killing survivors of botched abortions.

Mr Obama has enormous talents and obviously charisma. However, he is probably the most anti-life president America has ever had. His policies on bio-ethics constitute a 360 degree reversal from the previous administration. He promised Planned Parenthood that his first action as President would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act:
youtube.com/watch?v=pf0XIRZSTt8

 

[lndknwls]

I believe Obama is a Muslim. He praises Islam and Muslim contributions to modern society at every turn. He canceled national day of pray. Yet, he was caught taking off his shoes during Friday’s mosque service. He’s spent more time on vacation than at Sunday’s church service. I don’t believe he’s gone to church getting elected. Maybe he’s too busy with his El Presidente duties or chillin’ with celebrities over a game of basketball.

I totally agree with you. In his book “Audacity of Hope” he states, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” He has been to Church once since he took office and that was last Easter Sunday. God forgive me for judging, but I believe he went only because he has been criticized for not joining a Church since he became President. He grew up in the Muslim world and I believe that is what he aspires to be.

 

[seekerz]

Mr Obama has enormous talents and obviously charisma. However, he is probably the most anti-life president America has ever had. His policies on bio-ethics constitute a 360 degree reversal from the previous administration. He promised Planned Parenthood that his first action as President would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act:
youtube.com/watch?v=pf0XIRZSTt8

So…has he signed it yet? If he hasn’t maybe it’s because there isn’t the necessary support for it. I don’t see the problem in the country making use of his “enormous talents” while at the same time applying pressure to limit what he is able to do with regard to bio-ethics, as with the recent health care bill. Not sure how you measure ‘anti-lifeness’, but I do it with actual numbers of people who make the decision to have an abortion…