Poll: U.S. Catholics want a younger, more liberal pope

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While I know many here dispute such polls because they don’t distinguish between levels of practice among Catholics. And I personally believe there’s no chance of a liberal pope considering the current make up of the College of Cardinals. As many of the conservatives were elevated to the College during JP2 and Benedict’s papacies.

But according to this CBS News/NY Times poll, “As the College of Cardinals descends on Rome this week to select the world’s next pope, most U.S. Catholics want the new pope to be younger, to have new ideas, and to liberalize the church’s teachings on issues like birth control, ordaining women, and permitting priests to marry”

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I guess they will have to be disappointed. With the exception of married priests, which is not likely to happen, the other things simply cannot happen, no matter how “liberal” the pope.
 
Even if these polls reflected the truth about what U.S. Catholics think, all that they show is that U.S. Catholics are out of touch with their religion, not the other way around. Consider, for example, that if the Magisterium contradicted its infallible decision on the ordination of priests, it would mean the falsification of the whole Christian religion! That is, if the Church was to proclaim and teach a “truth” that contradicted what she had previously held as revealed, it would refute the claim that Jesus authorized his Church to teach in his name. The whole paradigm crumbles.

The ignorance of U.S. Catholics about their faith is a well known fact by now, though. When one looks at these polls, what they really indicate is a great need for catechesis, evangelization, and pastoral care.
 
PermanentMarker said:
The ignorance of U.S. Catholics about their faith is a well known fact by now, though. When one looks at these polls, what they really indicate is a great need for catechesis, evangelization, and pastoral care.
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Although there are probably a number of people who just need to be catechized (and would then change the way they believe), I also think there are an equal number of people who would still believe the way they believe even if you told them exactly what the Church teaches. I think we often excuse the American dissent as ignorance of the Faith and I’m not convinced that is always the case (I’m not even convinced that is even the majority of the cases).
 
CMatt25 said:
While I know many here dispute such polls because they don’t distinguish between levels of practice among Catholics. And I personally believe there’s no chance of a liberal pope considering the current make up of the College of Cardinals. As many of the conservatives were elevated to the College during JP2 and Benedict’s papacies.

But according to this CBS News/NY Times poll, “As the College of Cardinals descends on Rome this week to select the world’s next pope, most U.S. Catholics want the new pope to be younger, to have new ideas, and to liberalize the church’s teachings on issues like birth control, ordaining women, and permitting priests to marry”

cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57572665/u.s-catholics-want-a-younger-more-liberal-pope/
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Then such ‘Catholic’ Americans are sorely misguided and confused.

Oh, and it ain’t gonna happen if you were wishing for such a thing, at least not this time around.
 
Needs to be a good bit more shaming and naming from the Pulpit in this country. Until Priests stand up and call out the “Faithful” that the things like birth control, gay “marriage”, etc. are blatantly in contradiction to God’s law…you’re not likely to see things change.

There’s a cultural liberalism, but also I think a very misguided view that its OK for Catholics to hold those positions.
 
Lucky7 said:
Although there are probably a number of people who just need to be catechized (and would then change the way they believe), I also think there are an equal number of people who would still believe the way they believe even if you told them exactly what the Church teaches. I think we often excuse the American dissent as ignorance of the Faith and I’m not convinced that is always the case (I’m not even convinced that is even the majority of the cases).
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I agree, Micheal Voris talked about this on Mic’ed Up and mentioned this poll. He said
the majority polled, went to church WEEKLY.
 
PermanentMarker said:
Even if these polls reflected the truth about what U.S. Catholics think, all that they show is that U.S. Catholics are out of touch with their religion, not the other way around. Consider, for example, that if the Magisterium contradicted its infallible decision on the ordination of priests, it would mean the falsification of the whole Christian religion! That is, if the Church was to proclaim and teach a “truth” that contradicted what she had previously held as revealed, it would refute the claim that Jesus authorized his Church to teach in his name. The whole paradigm crumbles.

The ignorance of U.S. Catholics about their faith is a well known fact by now, though. When one looks at these polls, what they really indicate is a great need for catechesis, evangelization, and pastoral care.
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This ^^^^

Do most American Catholics realize that most if not all of the Cardinal electors have been elevated to that level either by JPII or Benedict, both conservatives??

OY…
 
I wish a lot of Catholic Americans got a clue. Its not about what Americans want, its what is best for the worldwide Catholic Church.
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
I guess they will have to be disappointed. With the exception of married priests, which is not likely to happen, the other things simply cannot happen, no matter how “liberal” the pope.
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Well, em, maybe the birth control issue.
I think the Church will take into consideration that they would prefer having long happy married young couples than divorced ones brought by friction due to an early child. Also, young couples may not have yet be able to provide for the future of their child.
God bless!
 
CMatt25 said:
While I know many here dispute such polls because they don’t distinguish between levels of practice among Catholics. And I personally believe there’s no chance of a liberal pope considering the current make up of the College of Cardinals. As many of the conservatives were elevated to the College during JP2 and Benedict’s papacies.

But according to this CBS News/NY Times poll, “As the College of Cardinals descends on Rome this week to select the world’s next pope, most U.S. Catholics want the new pope to be younger, to have new ideas, and to liberalize the church’s teachings on issues like birth control, ordaining women, and permitting priests to marry”

cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57572665/u.s-catholics-want-a-younger-more-liberal-pope/
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What they mean is heterodox catholics want a new pope that will overturn long standing Church teachings. Moral relativity and secularism at it’s finest.
 
Cider said:
What they mean is heterodox catholics want a new pope that will overturn long standing Church teachings. Moral relativity and secularism at it’s finest.
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No, no and no.
As a moderate (I would really like the papacy of Christoph Schönborn) I see both extremes. From the ultra-liberal comments from the National Catholic Reporter, to yours. You should be open to both.
I support a Vatican III. Not to change the moral teachings, but to be expressed in the Church’s beliefs the need for it to become a crystal clear institution, regarding money and sexual abuse.
I would enjoy a debate regarding married priests, and birth control, but nothing further.
It is a misconception for Catholics like you regard more progressive Catholics as “cafeteria” ones.
Let me remind us all of something.
We are not whom to judge others, for God will judge us all.
God bless, my brothers!
 
mburn16 said:
Needs to be a good bit more shaming and naming from the Pulpit in this country. Until Priests stand up and call out the “Faithful” that the things like birth control, gay “marriage”, etc. are blatantly in contradiction to God’s law…you’re not likely to see things change.

There’s a cultural liberalism, but also I think a very misguided view that its OK for Catholics to hold those positions.
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matutemats said:
I think the Church will take into consideration that they would prefer having long happy married young couples than divorced ones brought by friction due to an early child.
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The Church has already stated that natural family planning is possible. Artificial birth control is an intrisic evil. It doesn’t suddenly become good and moral because couples CHOOSE to divorce.
 
:rotfl:

Yeah right…580 “randomly selected” Catholics. Probably all Obama voters :eek: who’d like nothing better than to have the Church validate their lifestyle choices, abortions, contracepting, and gay marriage.

Yeppers…I believe it…NOT

Lisa
 
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