Poll: U.S. Catholics want a younger, more liberal pope

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Auntie_A said:
I think most U.S Catholics who are polled are greatly uneducated and believe that the Church is a democracy and if we exert enough pressure, we can change the truth into whatever we want…

This ain’t the presidential elections, folks!
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Yes, therein lies the problem.
 
I am really tired of the media pushing their anti-Catholic, anti-Pope, anti-life agenda.

I am glad I have EWTN. 👍
 
twoshoes said:
Don’t you wonder how many people in the liberal world who claim to be catholic’s really are. It would seem that to get ahead in politics, show business, or television you have to be a catholic who is against every teaching of the church, but say you go to church weekly. I never see them in my church.
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Completely anecdotally, and since we’re mentioning that awful embarrassment to the British Isles (I can only apologise for him, and would drink your health if you guys took him to Boston for a swim), I would say a reasonable proportion of Catholics I know, especially recent converts, are the kind of Catholic that comes out with things that leave you in a stunned silence…

…thinking I can’t just say “well you’re not Catholic then, are you”. Have particularly enjoyed being told all about how the Pope “needs” to become more “relevant”, to get rid of the whole proscription of homosexuality because it’s homophobic, and ideally to allow gay marriage in Catholic churches.
 
matutemats said:
Well, em, maybe the birth control issue.
I think the Church will take into consideration that they would prefer having long happy married young couples than divorced ones brought by friction due to an early child. Also, young couples may not have yet be able to provide for the future of their child.
God bless!
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Read Humanae Vitae,bet you will change your mind re this issue.😉
 
Midwest88 said:
Then such ‘Catholic’ Americans are sorely misguided and confused.

Oh, and it ain’t gonna happen if you were wishing for such a thing, at least not this time around.
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No you must have missed in the OP me saying I don’t believe it’s going to happen this time around.
 
CMatt25 said:
No you must have missed in the OP me saying I don’t believe it’s going to happen this time around.
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Nor the next time…

I recall the 2005 Conclave and all of the usual suspects were hoping for a “liberal” Pope. Imagine their horror when the oh so orthodox Benedict XVI stepped out onto the balcony. I was talking to a friend that day having heard the howls from “Nuns on the Bus” types and those who would have Obama 08 stickers on their cars a few years later… How disappointing, the POPE IS CATHOLIC.

Lisa
 
jwinch2 said:
By their fruits, you shall know them.

Check out the diocese which have had traditional bishops who have worked to foster a renewal of the liturgy and catechesis and compare them to those who have not taken these steps. Also, compare parishes within a particular diocese between those who have good solid catechesis and a sense of sacred in the liturgy and those who do not. Then, look at the number of vocations to the priesthood or to be consecrated religious. Take a look at Mass attendance and the average age of those at Mass.

If you do all of that, you will see quite soon that this poll is completely wrong. The diocese and parishes who have stronger Mass attendance and the ones who are fostering vocations are those who are going in exactly the opposite direction as this poll suggests. They are preaching the truth, they provide faithful catechesis, and they are working towards a sense of the sacred in the liturgy. The diocese and parishes who are dying out, have few vocations, no young families, etc. are the ones who where modernity has run rampant and no one has yet stepped up to the plate to stop it.

Young people who are serious about their faith want the real deal. They don’t want watered down Catholicism which apologizes for the Gospel more than it proclaims it. There are many stories about this in the last year or so, when one takes the time to look beyond the secular media. patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2013/02/the-catholic-church-young-people-actually-want.html

By their fruits, indeed.

As for the rest, are we really surprised? Disobedience and pride has been popular since day 1. But here’s the thing, heresy doesn’t stop being wrong, just because it has become accepted. Its still heresy, and thus still wrong. No poll, vote, discussion, etc. is ever going to change that.
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I do think that there are some parishes/priests that are trying to do these things (including offering the traditional Latin Mass as an option). Unfortunately, I do think they are in the minority. Perhaps with our new Pope we shall see more and more of this. I sure hope so.
 
twoshoes said:
Don’t you wonder how many people in the liberal world who claim to be catholic’s really are.
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No I don’t wonder about it at all. As long as they were baptized in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church still teaches they are Catholics, though perhaps less faithful or practicing than another Catholic. What I wonder more about is how those CAF faithful who would say they’re more faithful, question their church’s teaching on this.
 
ephesians4 said:
Completely anecdotally, and since we’re mentioning that awful embarrassment to the British Isles (I can only apologise for him, and would drink your health if you guys took him to Boston for a swim), I would say a reasonable proportion of Catholics I know, especially recent converts, are the kind of Catholic that comes out with things that leave you in a stunned silence…

…thinking I can’t just say “well you’re not Catholic then, are you”. Have particularly enjoyed being told all about how the Pope “needs” to become more “relevant”, to get rid of the whole proscription of homosexuality because it’s homophobic, and ideally to allow gay marriage in Catholic churches.
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Are you a Catholic Christian (I see you identify as a Christian)?
 
So once again people want to change God and the bible to fit their life styles instead of changing their life style to fit Gods teachings? I can’t say I am shocked
 
fastenatingguy said:
Great find!

I would say that Penn has something in him that likes to solve puzzles; he is a thinker. He obviously has an orthodox understanding of the Church, even if he doesn’t worship.

Morgan is a typical media blowhard who likes to wine and get his way, and would rather offer his opinion than do a little basic research.
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That is a great video, I love how Piers Morgan used at least one fallacy, to make his argument. “No where in the bible did Jesus say…”

I find that it is not necessarily poor catechesis, but rather just downright lazy and poor thinking. 🤷 (obviously not always) But from experience it seems like those who don’t try and find God, the truth, are often lazy thinkers when it comes to faith/relogion. They don’t try to find the truth, when they do stubble upon a discussion, they don’t use logic or reason to discuss it, and instead use their emotions to come to conclusions. As evidenced by Morgan’s logical fallacy.
 
Lucky7 said:
I do think that there are some parishes/priests that are trying to do these things (including offering the traditional Latin Mass as an option). Unfortunately, I do think they are in the minority. Perhaps with our new Pope we shall see more and more of this. I sure hope so.
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I hope we see more reverence in the liturgy as well as solid catechesis, etc as well.

For the record, while I recognize the dignity and beauty of the EF of the Mass, I have seen OF Masses in English that are also reverent and dignified. If people desire the EF of the Mass, I am all of them having access to it, without question. As you correctly noted, it can be included in those other things for sure.
 
PennyinCanada said:
I am really tired of the media pushing their anti-Catholic, anti-Pope, anti-life agenda.

I am glad I have EWTN. 👍
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I would say that in this case the media is reporting quite accurately. What you should be tired of is Catholics who push their anti-Catholic, anti-Pope, anti-life agenda. It’s a disgrace. Don;t blame the media for this one.
 
U.S. Catholics number 74 million, only about 6% of the total Catholic population. And less than 25% of them attend Mass regularly. I don’t see much impact of this poll.
 
LisaA said:
Nor the next time…

I recall the 2005 Conclave and all of the usual suspects were hoping for a “liberal” Pope. Imagine their horror when the oh so orthodox Benedict XVI stepped out onto the balcony. I was talking to a friend that day having heard the howls from “Nuns on the Bus” types and those who would have Obama 08 stickers on their cars a few years later… How disappointing, the POPE IS CATHOLIC.

Lisa
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No I doubt the next time either. I’ve heard JP2 installed a lot of conservatives as cardinals. At the same time I have no idea the make up of every future College of Cardinals generations ahead, their thinking on the liberal - conservative spectrum, or where the Holy Spirit might lead.
 
PermanentMarker said:
The ignorance of U.S. Catholics about their faith is a well known fact by now, though. When one looks at these polls, what they really indicate is a great need for catechesis, evangelization, and pastoral care.
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Amen! I believe that another Pope like Benedict will continue the growth of strong candidates for seminary and strong, orthodox priests who can give the catechesis, evangelization, and pastoral care we need!
 
ProVobis said:
U.S. Catholics number 74 million, only about 6% of the total Catholic population. And less than 25% of them attend Mass regularly. I don’t see much impact of this poll.
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If you polled Western European Catholics, exactly how different do you think the results would be? Even if you went to Latin America, you’d probably find plenty of Catholics who wish the church would stop telling people not to use condoms and start talking more about social welfare and charity programs.
 
CMatt25 said:
No I don’t wonder about it at all. As long as they were baptized in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church still teaches they are Catholics, though perhaps less faithful or practicing than another Catholic. What I wonder more about is how those CAF faithful who would say they’re more faithful, question their church’s teaching on this.
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Speaking for myself,as a prodigal daughter,I am now so appreciative of my Catholic faith.I regret I wasted so many years being indifferent to it.Sure,even then,I identified myself a Catholic,albeit a poorly formed Catholic. So yes you are correct once a Catholic always one.however,there is a huge difference in being one in name only and actually being a faithful Catholic.
 
jwinch2 said:
The diocese and parishes who have stronger Mass attendance and the ones who are fostering vocations are those who are going in exactly the opposite direction as this poll suggests… the diocese and parishes who are dying out, have few vocations, no young families, etc. are the ones who where modernity has run rampant and no one has yet stepped up to the plate to stop it.
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I must say I’m unaware of modernity ever running rampant in the Catholic Church for generations now. The Church has been against women priests, married priests and birth control for generations. It’s why many eventually left the practice of the faith to begin with. So we really don’t know if the Church held different views on such matters, how Mass attendance would be and if even more would attend.

The Catholic Church if anything in more recent decades has grown even more conservative or is cracking down more. And I don’t see if still less than 25% of US Catholics regularly attend today, how that is a positive number when there are still so many not in the pews.
 
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