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Tomdstone
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How effective have these Roman Catholics been in opposing abortion, gay marriage, pornography, and massive killings in America?
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tomarin
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Good point and it’s important to give credit where it’s due. Thanks for indulging me, guys. Part of my take on this is shaped by the fact that I live in the northeast and I’m painfully aware that most of the women I know, friends family and coworkers wouldn’t vote for a pro-life candidate under any circumstances. It does sometimes seem like we’re at a standstill at the national level on this issue.
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anthony022071
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The dictionary definition of socialism is government ownership and control of the means of production and distribution. But there is far more to socialism to that,and there are varying degrees of government control. In Western Europe and America,socialism has been incremental. Socialism does not entail that the government has complete control over the economy. It does entail secularism and materialism,government controlled schools and hospitals,social welfare or entitlement programs that make people dependent upon the government and lose motivation and character and become complacent,doing away with religion on government property and in public places,doing away with traditional culture and suppressing knowledge of natural law morality.
That’s right. The Clintons and Obama are socialists,but they wanted to give the appearance to the public of being “moderate” and pragmatic.
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Tomdstone
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They have not called for the nationalization of Apple or IBM or hewlett packard.
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tomarin
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more left-wing than Hillary, I guess mostly because she became much more pro-Israel when she became senator for New York - for reasons too obvious to mention. I suppose she could be less left wing and still a socialist, but then I’ve never been clear on how a socialist differs from a liberal.
You know, I think of Obama as
more left-wing than Hillary, I guess mostly because she became much more pro-Israel when she became senator for New York - for reasons too obvious to mention. I suppose she could be less left wing and still a socialist, but then I’ve never been clear on how a socialist differs from a liberal.
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Thomas_White
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Santorum is a politician, is again running for president and last week criticized a papal encyclical. He is also Catholic. The views he expressed are what they are, which is to say that rather than giving silent internal assent to a teaching of the Catholic Church he publicly opposed it. I see this as a test of discipline and obedience. Santorum failed.
Ideologues, whatever their political persuasion, view the world through a prism. This is why, for example, they typically seem unable to accept the teaching that both abortion and capital punishment are immoral. This holds true whatever the political persuasion.
But for Catholics, these are properly religious rather than political issues, and one either does or does not assent to the teachings of the Church.
Ideologues, whatever their political persuasion, view the world through a prism. This is why, for example, they typically seem unable to accept the teaching that both abortion and capital punishment are immoral. This holds true whatever the political persuasion.
But for Catholics, these are properly religious rather than political issues, and one either does or does not assent to the teachings of the Church.
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Tomdstone
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At the time of the Inquisition, did the Catholic Church teach that capital punishment by burning at the stake was not immoral?
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tomarin
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Are there not cases of devout dissent?
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anthony022071
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To have socialist views does not always entail favoring government control over all industries.
As I said,socialism entails secularism and materialism,government controlled schools and hospitals,social welfare programs and entitlement programs that make people dependent upon the government and lose motivation and character and become complacent,doing away with religion on government property and in public places,doing away with traditional culture and suppressing knowledge of natural law morality.
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anthony022071
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The Catholic Church does not teach climate change theory. It is not a part of the traditional teaching on faith and morals. It does does not come from apostolic tradition. And the Church does not consist only of the pope and clergy of today,but all faithful Catholics throughout history. So the belief of the pope and some bishops in climate change theory,or any other illogical theory,has no binding authority.
The Church does not teach that capital punishment is immoral. The death penalty for serious crimes is compatible with natural justice.
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ucfengr
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I would argue that their views are more fascist, as in believing in government control of the means of production while still allowing private ownership.
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Thomas_White
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I’ll just note that the term “natural justice” refers to the right to a fair trial and let it go at that.
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Darryl1958
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My guess is most of the women that you might know would abhor having an abortion themselves, and those that already have had one in moments of rationalization and weakness would be filled with guilt and self-loathing.
But abortion is the value that defines the feminist movement, and for a woman to defy that status quo would alienate her completely from any and all women friends that she might have.
If you want to be a part of the club, you need to know the secret handshake.
And for women, that handshake is absolute support for abortion.
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Thomas_White
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Climate change is real and is not going away. Science predicts conditions will worsen until virtually everyone but the very wealthy are adversely affected by extreme coastal flooding, draught, crop failures and catastrophic weather. As a result, I believe the papal encyclical will become of historical importance in Church teaching.
As for the death penalty:
“…the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: In other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically non-existent.” (italics added) --Pope Saint John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, 1995
Without question, society has become increasingly polarized since the 1960’s. I think it is only unfortunate that there are now those of every political persuasion who for whatever reasons just cannot fully assent to the Church’s consistent teaching concerning the dignity of life (i.e., those teachings concerning abortion, the death penalty and contraception).
As for the death penalty:
“…the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: In other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically non-existent.” (italics added) --Pope Saint John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, 1995
Without question, society has become increasingly polarized since the 1960’s. I think it is only unfortunate that there are now those of every political persuasion who for whatever reasons just cannot fully assent to the Church’s consistent teaching concerning the dignity of life (i.e., those teachings concerning abortion, the death penalty and contraception).
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Murmurs
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Not for every feminist, just saying…
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Ridgerunner
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Nobody calls you names on here, so perhaps you would be well-mannered enough to stop using the term “denialist”, which is an insult and intended as one.
It is equally possible that this encyclical will someday be regarded as one of the curiosities of history. MMGW, we are incessantly told, is irreversible and portends disaster. We have had 18 years of no warming. And if we have another 12, MMGW will be on equal footing with “weather modification” by jet contrails.
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bobcrawford
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Fantastic post? More like garbage to me.
I cannot believe how secular the church has become and how the church is putting aside truth for political correctness and sinful ways of liberal progressives who focus on worship of the Earth instead of worship of God.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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MIT Meteoroligist Richard Lindzen agrees with you:
‘Even two-10ths of a degree of change would be tiny but two-100ths is ludicrous. Anyone who starts crowing about those numbers shows that they’re putting spin on nothing.’
Dr Lindzen was a lead author of Chapter 7, ‘Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks,’ of the IPCC Third Assessment Report on climate change.
But he has previously blasted the IPCC for blaming humans for a global warming trend that appears to have cooled in recent decades – and then glossing over the warming slowdown.
‘I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence,’ Dr Lindzen told Climate Depot – a site known for questioning the theory of global warming.
Read more: dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2922553/Global-warming-believers-like-hysterical-cult-MIT-scientist-compares-climate-alarmists-religious-fanatics.html#ixzz3dnPCg8wp
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lynnvinc
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Shouldn’t we appreciate God’s gifts to us and give continual thanks? And not trash and smash them?
Shouldn’t we be remorseful for our own sins of harming Gods creation and thru that harming people and others of God’s creatures?
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estesbob
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Is not believing in AGW a Venial sin and or mortal sin?
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