Pope’s climate views press Catholic candidates

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stinkcat_14 said:
I refused to vote for someone who allowed unrestricted abortion on demand, I also did not vote for Romney. So the question is, how did I violate Church teaching?
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Seems Pharisaical - or sophistry. Maybe its not intentional as I don’t mean this as an insult in any way, shape or form.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Seems Pharisaical - or sophistry. Maybe its not intentional as I don’t mean this as an insult in any way, shape or form.

Ishii
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Playing semantics games while the children continue to die.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
We should however, cultivate candidates who are truly pro-life, in my opinion. But we are delving into the realm of prudential judgement.
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It seems a gross injustice to allow a pro-infanticide candidate to win because the other guy isn’t 100% pro-life. Sometimes helping the unborn is better than winning debates on technicalities.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
It seems a gross injustice to allow a pro-infanticide candidate to win because the other guy isn’t 100% pro-life. Sometimes helping the unborn is better than winning debates on technicalities.

Ishii
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Ok, then cite where I violated Church teaching. If what I did was immoral, then it should be fairly easy for you to cite the Church teaching that I violated.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Ok, then cite where I violated Church teaching. If what I did was immoral, then it should be fairly easy for you to cite the Church teaching that I violated.
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Stinkcat - if you are searching for a Church document that says, “vote for Romney over Obama” you will never find one. I voted for Romney because I am pro-life and I have a brain, and I love the unborn more than I like winning arguments on little technicalities.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Stinkcat - if you are searching for a Church document that says, “vote for Romney over Obama” you will never find one. I voted for Romney because I am pro-life and I have a brain, and I love the unborn more than I like winning arguments on little technicalities.

Ishii
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Each of us has to make our own decision as to the best way to defend the unborn. The Church gives us that liberty. We will never go wrong by voting for pro-life candidates.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Each of us has to make our own decision as to the best way to defend the unborn. The Church gives us that liberty. We will never go wrong by voting for pro-life candidates.
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I suppose you can hide under your bed all day so that you don’t have to face the world and make decisions. I have much more admiration for people who made a choice on election day to oppose the infanticide policies of Obama instead of hiding behind a technicality.

Ishii
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Each of us has to make our own decision as to the best way to defend the unborn. The Church gives us that liberty. We will never go wrong by voting for pro-life candidates.
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There are 3,920,000 (98% x 1,000,000 x 4yrs) babies who would disagree with you if they could. But they have been killed while you quibble over Romney’s relatively minor failings compared to Obama.
 
zz912 said:
There are 3,920,000 (98% x 1,000,000 x 4yrs) babies who would disagree with you if they could. But they have been killed while you quibble over Romney’s relatively minor failings compared to Obama.
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I think the bottom line is that many people who claim to be pro life don’t really care about the issue.
 
zz912 said:
There are 3,920,000 (98% x 1,000,000 x 4yrs) babies who would disagree with you if they could. But they have been killed while you quibble over Romney’s relatively minor failings compared to Obama.
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You are saying that there would be no abortions if Romney was elected? Was he really against all murder?
 
stinkcat_14 said:
You are saying that there would be no abortions if Romney was elected? Was he really against all murder?
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If I was trying to say that, then I would have said it.

My point was the quibbling that is going on when we have viable candidates who are light years better on the issue of abortion, who Catholics refuse to support for a variety of reasons/excuses. These babies are dying. Every. Single. Day.

And we quibble if Romney is pro-life enough because he opposes 98% of abortion, and then voting for an insignificant 3rd party candidate which allows the most pro-abortion President ever to remain in office.

These are real babies we’re talking about. Real babies who are dying every day.
 
zz912 said:
If I was trying to say that, then I would have said it.

My point was the quibbling that is going on when we have viable candidates who are light years better on the issue of abortion, who Catholics refuse to support for a variety of reasons/excuses. These babies are dying. Every. Single. Day.
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Is a candidate that will get 40% of the vote a viable candidate? Where does the Church teach that we must consider viability and when does viability trump whether the candidate is pro-life?
And we quibble if Romney is pro-life enough because he opposes 98% of abortion, and then voting for an insignificant 3rd party candidate which allows the most pro-abortion President ever to remain in office.
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Romney is not pro-life, he is less pro-murder.
These are real babies we’re talking about. Real babies who are dying every day.
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Which is why we need to vote for pro-life candidates over pro-murder candidates.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
You are saying that there would be no abortions if Romney was elected? Was he really against all murder?
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We know there would be less. We know for sure he would have reinstated the Mexico City Policy cutting down the number of foreign abortions. we know he would not have replace state funding cut from PP with federal Funding. We know he would not have forced businesses to pat for abortificants for their employers. We know he would not have go to a PP event and proclaim “God bless PP”.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
You mean like people who vote for pro-abortion candidates like Romney and Obama?
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No, I mean people who vote for Democrats, the party that pushes abortion in its platform. The party that pushes gay marriage. They party that drove prayer out of schools. The party that routinely attacks Christians.
 
ishii said:
Bingo again, Chestertonrules. I think that is what we’re dealing with.
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Just because someone else uses their prudential judgment differently does not mean they don’t care about the issue. Obviously, you cannot cite any Church teaching that says one may not vote for a pro-life candidate, so we are clearly in the realm of prudential judgment, so I think we have to give people the benefit of the doubt until evidence is given to the contrary.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
No, I mean people who vote for Democrats, the party that pushes abortion in its platform. The party that pushes gay marriage. They party that drove prayer out of schools. The party that routinely attacks Christians.
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I don’t vote for democrats.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Just because someone else uses their prudential judgment differently does not mean they don’t care about the issue. Obviously, you cannot cite any Church teaching that says one may not vote for a pro-life candidate, so we are clearly in the realm of prudential judgment, so I think we have to give people the benefit of the doubt until evidence is given to the contrary.
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Prudential judgement can be wrong
 
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