Pope’s climate views press Catholic candidates

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Getting back to our topic. How many here would support a federal tax credit or tax deduction (they are different, I know) for buying an electric car? Or would that be socialism?
 
estesbob said:
What you say is a narrow view is actually the teaching of the church. For instance Pope Benedict himself specifically said that support of war was not on the same level as support of abortion . In fact he said Catholic a good conscience could support the war. Abortion is not the only issue that matters . We Most certainly are not required to vote for a candidate just because he opposes abortion . But we can never vote for candidate or supports unrestricted abortion on demand unless his opponent share similar views .

I don’t know of any candidate who was opposed to providing basic needs for the poor and needy or has been in favor of torture or unjust wars . What those trying to justify supporting the evil of abortion are doing is trying to conflate political differences on how to address these problems as being the same or worse than supporting the slaughter 1.2 million children a year . None of the issues you mentioned are important to those were been denied life . It is sad but abortion will remain legal in this country until Catholic Democrats come to love the unborn more than they hate the Republican Party
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I remember you trying to say that Pope Benedict’s comments were specifically about the Iraq War and then having to backtrack those comments. I also remember you misinterpreting other Catholic viewpoints, so you’ll excuse me if I don’t take your analysis of this issue too terribly seriously as you have already demonstrated a willingness to misinterpret the Church’s position to support your particular political viewpoint.
 
lynnvinc said:
Looks like many are going to use this as a justification to vote for those who deny climate change and wittingly (or perhaps unwittingly) support human annihilation or massive genocide over the next 100s or 1000s of years through AGW and its knock on effects, not to mention from the other serious concomitant environmental harms those politicians also deny.
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Of course they are. Much like they ignored the Pope’s views on economic policy, they will ignore what the Pope has to say about the environment, conveniently voting for the party they claim is pro-life but is really good at cutting taxes and starting foreign wars.
 
Crossbones said:
I remember you trying to say that Pope Benedict’s comments were specifically about the Iraq War and then having to backtrack those comments. I also remember you misinterpreting other Catholic viewpoints, so you’ll excuse me if I don’t take your analysis of this issue too terribly seriously as you have already demonstrated a willingness to misinterpret the Church’s position to support your particular political viewpoint.
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Very vague, unsubstantiated post, which need not be taken seriously
Crossbones said:
Of course they are. Much like they ignored the Pope’s views on economic policy, they will ignore what the Pope has to say about the environment, conveniently voting for the party they claim is pro-life but is really good at cutting taxes and starting foreign wars.
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The Democrats voted for war too, not just the Republicans. And cutting taxes is not a “pro-life” issue but a fiscal issue. Now - take a look at the Democratic party - and start with the guy in the white house who voted for infanticide. Then look at Nancy Pelosi and the pro-abortion congressional leadership of the Democratic party which is joined at the hip with both the abortion lobby and the gay lobby. When you’re done with that, take a look at the Democrats at the state level who vote against the pro-life measures passed by Republican legislatures.

After that, get back to me and we’ll discuss which is the pro-life party and which is the party that promotes the culture of death.

Ishii
 
The Republican presidential hopeful Jeb Bush has said that Pope Francis should stay out of politics.
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According to a report in the Huffington Post, the former Governor of Florida, told a town hall meeting in New Hampshire yesterday, that he thought the Pope should stay out of the “political realm” and said that he was a “little sceptical” of taking advice from the Vatican on climate change, in a reference to the Pope’s upcoming encyclical.
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Mr Bush, who is a convert to Catholicism, said: “I hope I’m not like, going to get castigated for saying this in front of my priest back home but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope.”
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catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/06/17/i-wont-take-the-popes-advice-on-climate-change-says-jeb-bush/
 
Would Jeb be singing the same tune if the Pope came out in full force of Randian libertarian economic policies?
 
Crossbones said:
I remember you trying to say that Pope Benedict’s comments were specifically about the Iraq War and then having to backtrack those comments. I also remember you misinterpreting other Catholic viewpoints, so you’ll excuse me if I don’t take your analysis of this issue too terribly seriously as you have already demonstrated a willingness to misinterpret the Church’s position to support your particular political viewpoint.
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He also doesn’t take the pope’s (and previous popes) advice on the death penalty either.
 
He is appealing to his conservative base with the usual political maneuver. Kennedy distanced himself from the Vatican as well. Jeb came to this conclusion a day before the release of the encyclical. Did he read the leaked copy, or listen to all of the pre-encyclical commentary, or just make up his mind without having read it?
 
estesbob said:
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Eight in your document mentions Church documents (which your list is not). The Church document in this case has not been released, and it is the Holy Father we speak of. Perhaps we should show more prudence than Santorum and actually wait until we can read the document.

Or are you playing a game? In which case, what is two cubed?
 
One may not like the timing of recent statements by candidates Santorum and Bush regarding the Pope and his opinion of climate change, but we have to accept the reality that tomorrow’s encyclical may be very well be used against them and others on the campaign trail.
 
The world is a bigger than the US and climate change isn’t considered political in many parts of the world. It is simply seen as fact. The Pope is addressing the worlds faithful, not interfering in US politics.
 
I wonder if the mainstream media will now start asking Democrat candidates whether they will accept the Popes advice on abortion and , homosexual marriage. Or how about asking Hillary Clinton “Knowing what you know now do you still support the right of your daughter to have aborted the grandchild you love so much ?”

In the past we have heard dire warnings about not voting for Catholics because they will take orders from Rome. Now they’re criticizing Catholic candidates because they won’t !. And thus is the bizzaro world of the modern American left
 
outremer said:
Would Jeb be singing the same tune if the Pope came out in full force of Randian libertarian economic policies?
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Probably even more so, since Bush isn’t a “Randian libertarian”.

Not sure what Bush was responding to; presumably he didn’t just say it in response to nothing at all. Since nobody yet knows what the encyclical will say, one assumes someone posed it as an inquiry to what Bush would think if the pope came down foursquare with Obama and the like on “climate change”.

If, indeed, Pope Francis asserts that MMGW is a fact and due to use of fossil fuels, I would respect the Pope as a Pope, and at least listen, but I would not be convinced of it any more than if he said gold would be selling for $5,000/ounce by the end of the year.
 
estesbob said:
In the past we have heard dire warnings about not voting for Catholics because they will take orders from Rome. Now they’re criticizing Catholic candidates because they won’t !. And thus is the bizzaro world of the modern American left
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I would think he’s pandering more to the right wing evangelicals with this.

The left were never going to vote for Jeb Bush anyway.
 
CatholicSheila said:
The world is a bigger than the US and climate change isn’t considered political in many parts of the world. It is simply seen as fact. The Pope is addressing the worlds faithful, not interfering in US politics.
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I recall Cdl Turkson’s statement about the environment. I don’t think he said he believes in MMGW, but with 1/3 of his country desertified by poor agricultural methods, I can certainly see how he might. If you turn a piece of land into a desert, the atmospheric temperature above it and near it soars.
 
Bush is certainly not my candidate, or should I say “JEB!”, but his comments here are just an echo of Kennedy decades ago.

Some folks get nervous over Catholics in office.

In other news am I seeing the warming up to the eventual GOP candidate. It’s about time guys! You couldn’t hate on the fellow forever.
 
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