No prob, thank you tooWell said my friend. To see a convert to the Catholic faith who is not willing to compromise is very encouraging in a way I cannot describe! Thank you!
Except that the first quote doesn’t show everything that Pope Francis said, and the scripture verse is about hypocrisyUm…I think by the standard of two very top leaders of your religion?
The pope doesn’t feel it’s good to judge people.
“Who am I to judge a gay person,” he said in July.
And Jesus doesn’t feel it’s good to judge people:
“Judge not, that you be not judged."
(Matthew 7:1)
But, naturally, you have free will. And even though you are a follower of both Jesus and the Pope, you don’t have to feel and do the same as they do.
But. If they teach “the full truth” and you don’t agree with what they are saying here about judgment and you say your perspective is still “right” because it’s what you yourself believe and feel to be true…is that not–gasp!–“moral relativism”?
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Spot on Country Gal. I like the real world examples you use for abortion and homosexuality. It brings the conversation down to earth and illustrates the difficult situations some people have to deal with. Showing compassion and understanding for people’s circumstances is **not **wrong. In fact it is exactly what Jesus commanded us to do. By understanding people and showing them love and compassion, you have a better chance of helping them than beating them over the head with cold dogma.
That’s what it sounds like to me.Um…I think by the standard of two very top leaders of your religion?
The pope doesn’t feel it’s good to judge people.
“Who am I to judge a gay person,” he said in July.
And Jesus doesn’t feel it’s good to judge people:
“Judge not, that you be not judged."
(Matthew 7:1)
But, naturally, you have free will. And even though you are a follower of both Jesus and the Pope, you don’t have to feel and do the same as they do.
But. If they teach “the full truth” and you don’t agree with what they are saying here about judgment and you say your perspective is still “right” because it’s what you yourself believe and feel to be true…is that not–gasp!–“moral relativism”?
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The Church is not embracing abortion. …and the media is not saying so. If you think beyond the deadly 3 perhaps you will return to Pope’s first beginnings when he said the Priests and Bishops need to go out among the people…when he chose not to live in tbe Papal Palace…when he cbose a reliable modest car…when the first feet he wasbed were women prisoners… all tbis has led up to what he said have become “obsessions”. Perhaps he believes change comes from “within”… Berating people never works…if you want Catholics to come home or bring new converts in. Scare tactics and guilt trips worked on uneducated immigrants during the early part of the last century. It doesn’t work in this century. This Pope is startiing from scratch. To teach as Jesus did.
Why, thanks!
Jesus always said those that speak the truth will be hated.
Seriously? A gold hat isn’t flashy?
All I know is that my husband has worked in a major crime lab for twenty year and that the media does not put all the true details on the news of the rapes, murders, and crimes against children because people simply couldn’t handle it. If you knew what happens to the children born to some drug addicted, mentally ill, unfit parents you could not sleep at night. It is evil you cannot imagine.
Perhaps better care should be taken to ensure that the twisting is kept to a minimum. I.e. don’t say words that are easily taken out of context and twisted.
Perhaps he is saying what the Holy Spirit gives him to say.
Part of his message is that there is more to 2000 years of doctrine and moral teaching than abortion, homosexuality, and contraception. And that’s obviously an accurate message. It seems he’s simply speaking the Church’s truth.
I’ve gotta disagree with you there – any time a pope’s words can cause a thread like this one to blow up so quickly and fervently, I think we’ve got a thought-provoking, challenging vicar on our hands.
I’m really sorry you’re feeling abandoned – but I truly think you’d feel better if you focused on this one word in his interview: balance. The pope is not in favor of abortion. But we’re called to be Christlike in many, many ways. Keep fighting the good fight against abortion – but understand when others fight the many other injustices that exist.
Ouch. And :yup:But. If they teach “the full truth” and you don’t agree with what they are saying here about judgment and you say your perspective is still “right” because it’s what you yourself believe and feel to be true…is that not–gasp!–“moral relativism”?
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Gotta agree with that, too.
I don’t think the Pope need be a politician who worries about saying things that others may distort and take out of context. In being the preeminent voice of the Church, he is far removed from that ilk.
You’re right to a certain extent - have heard many testimonials about women recounting their experiences as an unwed mother and saying that their boyfriend was most adamant about getting the abortion. In many cases, the women’s parents are advocating abortion as well - there must be immense pressure to have the abortion in many cases. That should help us be compassionate toward women who have had abortions.
