Pope congratulates Biden

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Tis_Bearself said:
I would never concede any sort of Constitutional “right to an abortion” without a Constitutional amendment stating it in plain language.
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Me either, but I am not on the Supreme Court, so my opinion matters little.
 
I’m still a member of their bar. Which doesn’t make my opinion matter one iota, but means I will keep making arguments unless and until the law changes, when if necessary I will make new arguments.
 
Exit polling shows President Trump received the majority of Catholic votes:

From 9/21/20

[T]he frequency of Mass attendance correlates closely with which major candidate a Catholic supports. Catholics who attend Mass daily support Trump by 16 percentage points (58% to 42%). Catholics who attend Mass more than once a week supported Trump by 24 percentage points (61% to 37%). By contrast, Catholics who attend Mass less than once a year support Biden by a margin of 59% to 36%, and those who never attend Mass support Biden by a margin of 69% to 25%.
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This is so very disappointing. I feel like I have been cheated in some ways as I came into the church the same year Pope Francis was installed.

But when I read this, my heart dropped. Not only for me - I’m struggling to feel connected with my faith since I’ve been unable to attend Mass or receive Communion since March (I’m a recent organ transplant recipient). But in my position working for the Church, I talk to a lot of people, especially younger people in their 20s-30s who hold very wishy-washy views. They live together before they’re married, postponing weddings for a year because they want “the party” (so they end up living together longer outside of marriage), are refusing to schedule their baby for baptism (baptism!!!) because we have a limit to the number of people who can be in attendance inside the church & that number doesn’t include their mother’s boyfriend. The meaning behind the sacraments are lost. I had to exchange 9 emails with a family last week who were irate that their Jewish friend could not stand as godparent for their baby. They couldn’t understand why she could then just be a Christian Witness?

The same attitude towards abortion, euthanasia, elevating racism, a subjective term and action, to the same level of evil as abortion - not subjective term or action, being “accepting” of allowing children as young a 5 be taught “gender theory” and that God makes mistakes so if you’d rather play in the housekeeping area at school than with the blocks, you’re probably trans & a female trapped in a male body (instead of just letting this naturally fade away), “blessing” gay “marriage” - it’s an attack on our sacraments. And the person who is supposed to be the earthly head of the Church is leading us all away from heaven.

Every single of these evil, leftist progressive beliefs are geared towards population control. Climate change, birth control, acceptance of a sudden influx of “trans” people, LGBT, attacks on religion (currently just Christians and Jews), Mass immigration and now a pandemic - all of them have an end goal of taking the world’s population down to 2 billion. We’re at 7+ billion now, so a lot of are going to have to be eliminated.

Joe Biden has openly, clearly stated, over and over again that he supports abortion for anyone who wants it for any reason at any time. There is no way to twist that into something that’s acceptable. According to our own Church laws, anyone supporting, advocating, having or encouraging abortion is guilty of mortal sin and excommunicated. But instead, our pope CONGRATULATES him on… what exactly? The election hasn’t been called yet, so it can’t be that. Pope didn’t congratulate President Trump when he DID win.

This is a terrible example to set for Catholics or anyone considering the faith. God changes the world. The world doesn’t force God to change.
 
Welcome back. I appreciate your words here.

The word “scandal” was brought up earlier and I think this could be an example of it.

I wondered how many Catholics or those considering becoming Catholic would be greatly and negatively affected by this call.

How many people who may be considering becoming Catholic saw this and thought that the Catholic Church must be ok with abortion, euthanasia, etc. The Pope himself called Joe Biden, congratulated him, and blessed him, and we all know what he wants for the United States. What a terrible disservice it was to them.
 
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I know it’s really hard to be away from the sacraments for a long time due to the pandemic.
And I appreciate your frustration with having to deal with clueless people such as the family who wanted the Jewish person to be a godparent.

But this seems like an odd thing to bring up:
Anesis said:
elevating racism, a subjective term and action, to the same level of evil as abortion - not subjective term or action
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Racism is against Church teaching, so I would think you would be glad that these people who don’t seem to accept or underatnd a lot of Church teachings are at least “getting it right” on racism.
I’m not sure how it benefits the Church to pit racism and abortion against each other. The Church is never going to say, “Well, racism’s not really that important because it’s only a subjective evil.”

Is your issue that people didn’t vote for Trump even though he’s pro-life, because they perceived him as racist, and you think they should have voted for the pro-life candidate because abortion is objectively evil?
 
Anesis said:
But instead, our pope CONGRATULATES him on… what exactly? The election hasn’t been called yet, so it can’t be that. Pope didn’t congratulate President Trump when he DID win.
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As Pope, it is his prerogative to act with graciousness. We will have only the second Catholic president in the history of the United States. I do not know if that was part of it, but it might have been. Instead of criticizing his example, why not see the positive part of how we as Catholic should behave with civility?
 
Maybe the Pope congratulating Biden on winning the election, which now the incumbent has tweeted Biden did, saying, “He won because the election was rigged.”
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
Catholic moms, grandmoms etc. and God/ Jesus (and for me, Mary, Joseph and saints) are what keeps us in the Church when we are faced with bumbling Popes, annoying/ questionable “leaders”, and fellow Catholics whom we do not fit well with.

Popes and leaders are transitory. Love them or hate them, there will be another one coming over the hill soon enough, so no point in getting overly attached to any of them. God is forever. Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is forever. A mother’s love is also forever even after she is deceased.

If my faith was built on humans, I would have bailed years ago and stayed gone.
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Well said, and ditto the saints for me. Momma Mary, St. Francis and St. Therese the Little Flower all seem bent on keeping me around, so. I’m very imperfect, but I’m here.
 
Anesis said:
This is so very disappointing. I feel like I have been cheated in some ways as I came into the church the same year Pope Francis was installed.
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Maybe you need some good Catholic literature because thue often have a sincerity and devoutness that is lacking in some of the laity. It helps me at least.
 
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pnewton said:
Instead of criticizing his example, why not see the positive part of how we as Catholic should behave with civility?
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It’s possible to be civil and heartfelt and still call out bad choices when we see them. Civility and truth are not mutually exclusive.
 
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Raxus said:
Civility and truth are not mutually exclusive.
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But they are rare.

I wish everyone here believes as you do instead of criticizing Pope Francis for engaging in a simple act of civility. Like you say, it is not mutually exclusive to truth.
 
He has not been identified as a Catholic “not in good standing,” by his Bishops and that’s what counts.

His pastor administers the sacrament to him and he has the authority to do so.

But to the OP I expect a warmer relationship between Biden and the Pope compared to Trump.
 
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pnewton said:
But they are rare.
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Maybe. I think that’s a matter of opinion, but we probably have had different experiences.
pnewton said:
I wish everyone here believes as you do instead of criticizing Pope Francis for engaging in a simple act of civility. Like you say, it is not mutually exclusive to truth.
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True. I also wish Pope Francis would have added something publicly encouraging Biden to support the unborn, since Biden is a very public figure.
 
His Bishop has authority over him so he is right unless the Pope overrides him

The internet, father Z, and Cardinal Burke can’t make the pronouncement
 
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