Pope congratulates Biden

[Raxus]

You can’t be a baby killer and be in good standing with anyone

Technically, you’d be in good standing with other people who endorse killing babies.

 

[Petra202]

I thought he didn’t get involved in politics? Refused to meet with someone from US on those grounds recently!

 

[puer.dei]

I thought he didn’t get involved in politics? Refused to meet with someone from US on those grounds recently!

No, he refused to get involved in the election. Which is over. (for most people)

 

[twf]

Pope Francis has always seemed to me to be tone deaf to US concerns generally.

To be honest, this is probably deliberate. He likes to emphasize the “margins” and the “peripheries”, and the US isn’t generally what one thinks of when you use those words. Besides…only 5% of the world’s Catholics live in the US…a drop in the bucket. Previous popes may have given the US more attention strictly out of secular considerations…its power on the global scene.

 

[TMC]

It’s remarkable how people know exactly what the Court is going to do. SCOTUSBlog doesn’t even have that kind of ability.

Just my opinion, but I think its well founded.

If there wasn’t a significant risk of them curtailing abortion rights, you would not have seen the Dianne Feinsteins of the world raising such a fuss about perfectly competent, indeed renowned, appellate judges being elevated to the High Court.

I have to disagree. Both parties have used this issue to flog their voters and raise money for decades. They aren’t about to stop, regardless of what they think will actually happen.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

If it weren’t for my Mom and her faith in the Church, and a few things that God has personally done for me,

Catholic moms, grandmoms etc. and God/ Jesus (and for me, Mary, Joseph and saints) are what keeps us in the Church when we are faced with bumbling Popes, annoying/ questionable “leaders”, and fellow Catholics whom we do not fit well with.

Popes and leaders are transitory. Love them or hate them, there will be another one coming over the hill soon enough, so no point in getting overly attached to any of them. God is forever. Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is forever. A mother’s love is also forever even after she is deceased.

If my faith was built on humans, I would have bailed years ago and stayed gone.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

We can agree to disagree on this, but speaking as someone who spent a considerable amount of time in and around the Supreme Court over the last 20 years, I’m pretty sure there’s a lot more going on than flogging for a partisan politics money grab. We shall soon see.

 

[TMC]

We can agree to disagree on this, but speaking as someone who spent a considerable amount of time in and around the Supreme Court over the last 20 years, I’m pretty sure there’s a lot more going on than flogging for a partisan politics money grab. We shall soon see.

We’ll see. If you PM me (I can’t PM you) I can give you more of my thoughts on it.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Thanks, but I don’t have discussions in the PMs.

 

[AnaCarolina7]

Very nice ofthe Pope. I pray Biden becomes full Catholic as a result.

 

[StudentMI]

If We Don’t Teach the Faith the Man in the Oval Office Will| National Catholic Register

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

The need for so many to pronounce themselves good Catholics and others bad is curious. It makes the Church sound like a club and folks want to put up a velvet rope to keep others out and them in. The desire to do so is the weird part to me, regardless of someone’s else’s sins.

No one is saying that they are a good Catholic. Biden on the other hand is trying to push himself as a Catholic candidate though in practice he has different ideas that are quite contradictory and hypocritical.

 

[MNathaniel]

No one is saying that they are a good Catholic.

This.

Honestly at this point, accusations that anyone who critiques hypocritical actions of the powerful must secretly be trying to claim that we ourselves are impeccable, is so bananas I can no longer even.

It’s just entirely out of left field and seemingly never reflects what the original person actually said. It’s like it comes out of a hat of generic lines with which to dismiss someone’s words without reading them. Attack the person, impute bad motivation, and then avoid engaging with the substance of the words and just hope everyone eventually gets exhausted of the constant evasion, and falls into silence.

 

[AnaCarolina7]

I am so happy the pope Blessed Biden. Ihope he opposses his right to choice . Then id love him, as he is a cafeteria Catholic at thus point.

 

[FrankFletcher]

Attack the person, impute bad motivation, and then avoid engaging with the substance of the words and just hope everyone eventually gets exhausted of the constant evasion, and falls into silence.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[MNathaniel]

MNathaniel:

Attack the person, impute bad motivation, and then avoid engaging with the substance of the words and just hope everyone eventually gets exhausted of the constant evasion, and falls into silence.

Pot meet kettle.

Another generic phrase from the hat?

My critiques regarding Biden are specific to his external words and actions, and my critiques of McCarrick (and other externally complacent bishops) are specific to external words and actions too.

If you believe I’ve claimed to know the internal motive of an individual, which individual and what did I say?

I’ll be happy to take it back and stick to discussing external actions and words.

You quote for me what I’ve said that you believe fits that category and if I agree I’ll check that box and repent.

 

[FrankFletcher]

MNathaniel:

Attack the person, impute bad motivation, and then avoid engaging with the substance of the words and just hope everyone eventually gets exhausted of the constant evasion, and falls into silence.

You really don’t see the irony in what you’ve claimed about others here?

 

[StudentMI]

You really don’t see the irony in what you’ve claimed about others here?

That’s not really an answer to what they asked you to do.

 

[FrankFletcher]

It wasn’t meant to be. The discussion here has centered on hypocrisy. Forgive me if I find it a bit odd that we don’t recognize this fault in ourselves as well. My original point was to wonder about our need to give purity tests so often. It can be rationalized and justified but that need we have is common enough and, to me, curious.

FWIW, I do still think the pope’s congratulations to Biden don’t merit the kind of excitement generated here.

 

[MNathaniel]

MNathaniel:

MNathaniel:

Attack the person, impute bad motivation, and then avoid engaging with the substance of the words and just hope everyone eventually gets exhausted of the constant evasion, and falls into silence.

You really don’t see the irony in what you’ve claimed about others here?

If you mean where I imputed “just hope”? Sure, I’ll own that. My phrasing imputed motive where I shouldn’t have and I apologize for that.

Now can you see how your own comments throughout this thread might be perceived as imputing motive, and experienced as condescending, by those at whom your words seem clearly pointed?

My original point was to wonder about our need to give purity tests so often. It can be rationalized and justified but that need we have is common enough and, to me, curious.

I think this demonstrates a misunderstanding of why people are upset. It seems, again, to presume that other people don’t have actual reasons worth engaging with, and are instead just acting out inappropriate ‘needs’.

The need for so many to pronounce themselves good Catholics and others bad is curious. It makes the Church sound like a club and folks want to put up a velvet rope to keep others out and them in. The desire to do so is the weird part to me, regardless of someone’s else’s sins.

Please copy paste for me who pronounced themselves a “good Catholic”?

Shouting that he’s “NOT A CATHOLIC IN GOOD STANDING!” as though doing so fulfills some need is the weird part to me.

Who used all caps (before you just did)?

does anyone actually think

Um, maybe take a break here? Your statements sound pretty angry. I’m not your enemy. Neither is the pope.

Could you address the words I speak instead of just suggested that those who seem to feel feelings should be silent? Never said you were my enemy. Never suggested the pope is.

Seriously, this is how conversations go without happening. I honestly have no idea if you’re even aware of one idea I’ve expressed, because you haven’t addressed any of them in a way that reflects this understanding. I’m not asking for agreement, but even something more than the dismissive hand wave that strangers on the internet feel some need to shout and conduct purity tests, doesn’t reflect understanding what I and others are actually saying. I don’t even know what the point of such statements are or how you expect someone to engage with them.