Pope finally launches crackdown on world's largest illicit Catholic shrine [Medjugorje] and suspends 'dubious' priest

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FiremanFrank said:
And tens of thousands of people turning back to God and leaving the evil clutches of Satan are profoundly positive signs to me.
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Satan would be happy to drive one person into the church now, if it will help him drive two from it later.
Also, the divisiveness of an apparition has no bearing on the validity of that apparition
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Aside from the fact that “one”-ness is a mark of the Church, and Jesus Himself prayed specifically for unity while in Gethsemane…not to mention the fact that the word “catholic” means “universal”, i.e., undivided.
The same thing happened in Lourdes. Satan caused false visionaries to appear there so as to conceal the miracles happening at Lourdes.
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So it’s not possible Satan is causing false visions at Medjugorje so at to conceal miracles happening elsewhere? It works both ways, and it appears to be getting the job done.
Really, the naivete of the people who peruse this forum as it relates to the Catholic Faith and Catholic Church history is astounding.
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Is this the love and peace of “Our Lady” of Medjugorje at work?
 
Both Pope John Paul II AND Pope Benedict XVI have spoken positively about Medjugorje, but you have decided against these popes.
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Hearsay is not proof. In both cases, these assertions have been roundly denied.
 
FiremanFrank said:
Answer: Bishops can be wrong.

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But we are still called to obey. Padre Pio obeyed his Bishop even though he was wrong about St. Pio’s locutions. We see this in contemporary life too. Fr. Altier has been essentially silenced by his Bishop, I’m not sure why, but Fr. Altier has obeyed. Mary is the model of obedience. The Bishop is not commanding submission at the cost of contradicting Church teaching. Obedience is far more pleasing to God than the locutions given visionaries. Read stories of the saints - St. Teresa of Avila and St. Faustina for example.

The ends do not justify the means. We can not tolerate disobedience for something as minor as private revelation for the sake of a few conversions. We do not see like God. We don’t know what could happen to these people once/if Medjugorie is decreed false (which it apparently already has been). If the self-righteousness and pride shown by some who support Medjugorie is any indication, these conversions may have fallen on rocky soil. 😦
 
FiremanFrank said:
You are right to say that gray is Satan’s favorite color, but unfortunately, that is the exact same spiritual “color” that you have decided to embrace.

The Church **HAS **NOT officially decided on legitimacy of the apparitions at Medjugorje, but Trads such as yourself have.

Both Pope John Paul II AND Pope Benedict XVI have spoken positively about Medjugorje, but you have decided against these popes.

"Physician, heal thyself"

We need to trust the Church, and not self-proclaimed “catholics” who would be pope.
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Referring to the text I put in red, please provide a citation and link to these statements. I would honestly be quite surprised that if these two Popes had indeed made positive or supportive remarks, such citations and link would have been repeatedly posted on this thread.

As for your final sentence, you have stated the exact reason why I reject Medjugorje “apparitions”; the Church has definitively spoken and I trust the Church.

Other than that, I would like to point out the generally uncharitable nature of your post. Could that be considered a fruit of Medjugorje?
 
Hello, Please my friends do not fight. Help one another, in these times we need each other. If you strongly feel this way that is your right but all I ask is that you pray on it. The Rosary is our most powerful prayer God has given us through the Mother of our Lord, so pray the entire Holy Rosary (with your heart) and ask Mother Mary for the truth. If after the month is up you still feel the same about the apparitions but want to learn more about the True Devotion to Mary or the Secrets of the Most Holy Rosary let us know we will give you the books to read (Approved by the Vatican). What ever you do, do not allow your Pride and Ego to control you. Live with a humilityand Obedience and you will find such piece. The tools of santan are pride, ego, and jelousy. He has been using them against us since Adam and Eve. God bless you all and may you allow God through Mary to fill you with his Graces.

by Mother Mary’s request
Convert, Repent, Pray, and Fast
Do you carry your Rosary with all the time??
 
I’ve read many times that the Bishop rejects the “apparitions,” but I’ve never read/seen/heard why. Can anyone point me to the details?
 
Here’s an interesting read:

cbismo.com/index.php?mod=vijest&vijest=219

As if we don’t have more important Church issues to deal with in these difficult times and as if there don’t exist more pressing social issues that require our attention in this country, amongst our people and in this region, than the spreading of unfounded, incoherent news and contradictory statements on the phenomenon which was already in 1991 theologically and authoritatively resolved at the level of the Bishops’ Conference which declared: On the basis of comprehensive investigations on the entire phenomenon of Medjugorje – to this day – there has been no valid proof that these events concern supernatural apparitions or revelations!
Don Ante Luburić, Chancellor
Diocesan Chancery Office​
 
Hello
I’m new here and my English is not perfect either, so may I apologize. But I feel it may be necessary to add a few words to this subject.
I have been to Medjugorje two times. I have studied many books, articles on the subject and watched document films.
All I can say is after doing so, I can not else than believe in these apparitions as a miracle from God.
The seers which I have also carefully observed are honest and trustworthy.
I also know the critics of their local Bishop. All I can say to this is: Fatima and Lourdes, now approved Catholic Shrines all had barriers before approval. And more than once there was a Bishop who was critical towards the apparitions.
Numerous Bishops have been to Medjugorje and are positively appointed to what is going on there. The many uncountable good fruits can not be overseen.
I personally believe it is Gods enemy who causes confusion and repulsion against Medjugorje because he is aware of the great blessings which are coming from there.
This is my personal statement which I speak from years of study on the Medjugorje phenomenon.
I also know the article, this thread is about. And I suppose we all know, that the Vatican has never given a final statement on Medjugorje. It is also known, that both Popes of these last years had positive mentions on Medjugorje.
So, I hope that the Church will get closer to Medjugorje and finally approve the apparitions.
 
Bakitha said:
Hello
I’m new here and my English is not perfect either, so may I apologize. But I feel it may be necessary to add a few words to this subject.
I have been to Medjugorje two times. I have studied many books, articles on the subject and watched document films.
All I can say is after doing so, I can not else than believe in these apparitions as a miracle from God.
The seers which I have also carefully observed are honest and trustworthy.
I also know the critics of their local Bishop. All I can say to this is: Fatima and Lourdes, now approved Catholic Shrines all had barriers before approval. And more than once there was a Bishop who was critical towards the apparitions.
Numerous Bishops have been to Medjugorje and are positively appointed to what is going on there. The many uncountable good fruits can not be overseen.
I personally believe it is Gods enemy who causes confusion and repulsion against Medjugorje because he is aware of the great blessings which are coming from there.
This is my personal statement which I speak from years of study on the Medjugorje phenomenon.
I also know the article, this thread is about. And I suppose we all know, that the Vatican has never given a final statement on Medjugorje. It is also known, that both Popes of these last years had positive mentions on Medjugorje.
So, I hope that the Church will get closer to Medjugorje and finally approve the apparitions.
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This is a private apparition that hasn’t been approved by the Church, yet you claim that anyone who agrees with the numerous committees and local Bishop who have claimed that nothing supernatural is occurring, is God’s enemy. I guess Pope Benedict is one of them, seeing he suspended the priest who was the seers’ spiritual advisor. No one is required to believe any apparition, but encouraged to believe the APPROVED apparitions. Your judgement holds no merit, and is in fact illicit.
 
I’ve posted this before:

Here’s an interesting read:

cbismo.com/index.php?mod=vijest&vijest=219

As if we don’t have more important Church issues to deal with in these difficult times and as if there don’t exist more pressing social issues that require our attention in this country, amongst our people and in this region, than the spreading of unfounded, incoherent news and contradictory statements on the phenomenon which was already in 1991 theologically and authoritatively resolved at the level of the Bishops’ Conference which declared: On the basis of comprehensive investigations on the entire phenomenon of Medjugorje – to this day – there has been no valid proof that these events concern supernatural apparitions or revelations!

Don Ante Luburić, Chancellor
Diocesan Chancery Office
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Without giving my opinion yet, let me just ask what does it really matter? We have not been given to live in either the future or the past. All we have is the present. In this present, the man is not considered a saint and his followers are not in regular communion with the Church we are called to follow, in the present. As long as we remain faithful to Rome because of the love we have for God and the love we have for the Bride of Christ, God will bless that faithfulness.
 
Bakitha said:
Hello
I’m new here and my English is not perfect either, so may I apologize. But I feel it may be necessary to add a few words to this subject.
I have been to Medjugorje two times. I have studied many books, articles on the subject and watched document films.
All I can say is after doing so, I can not else than believe in these apparitions as a miracle from God.
The seers which I have also carefully observed are honest and trustworthy.
I also know the critics of their local Bishop. All I can say to this is: Fatima and Lourdes, now approved Catholic Shrines all had barriers before approval. And more than once there was a Bishop who was critical towards the apparitions.
Numerous Bishops have been to Medjugorje and are positively appointed to what is going on there. The many uncountable good fruits can not be overseen.
I personally believe it is Gods enemy who causes confusion and repulsion against Medjugorje because he is aware of the great blessings which are coming from there.
This is my personal statement which I speak from years of study on the Medjugorje phenomenon.
I also know the article, this thread is about. And I suppose we all know, that the Vatican has never given a final statement on Medjugorje. It is also known, that both Popes of these last years had positive mentions on Medjugorje.
So, I hope that the Church will get closer to Medjugorje and finally approve the apparitions.
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It’s not what it appears to be.
 
pnewton said:
Without giving my opinion yet, let me just ask what does it really matter? We have not been given to live in either the future or the past. All we have is the present. In this present, the man is not considered a saint and his followers are not in regular communion with the Church we are called to follow, in the present. As long as we remain faithful to Rome because of the love we have for God and the love we have for the Bride of Christ, God will bless that faithfulness.
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It DOES matter because it is either a fallacious apparition created out of lies of the Devil or it is an authentic one with a definite message to us and the Church from God. By living IN the Church, we live in eternity with Christ. To say that we only live in the present is not really true. Our spiritual life incorporates all three realities. I am confused over what you mean by “the man is not considered a saint and his followers are not in regular communion with the Church…” To whom are you referring? the Pope or someone else? Please clarify.
 
peary said:
** Please clarify.**
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This is easily clarified. I simply goofed up. Please ignore my post. I pasted what was supposed to be to another thread to this one. Then I ran out and bought groceries. It is now too late to delete. My sincerest apologies for all the confusion.
 
peary said:
It’s not what it appears to be.
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Excuse me.

The pope has never declared the apparitions to be not real.

In the moment there is no proof if they are supernatural or not.

Approvement can not come before the apparitions are finshed.

Why judge before the Vaticans commisions even have made any final decision over Medjugorje?!
 
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