Pope Francis' in-flight interview from Lesbos to Rome [addresses Amoris Laetitia & Schonborn]

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Canon lawyer Ed Condon:

The Pope has clarified that he wants a change of attitude, not of the discipline on Communion

catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2016/04/16/the-pope-has-clarified-that-he-wants-a-change-of-attitude-not-of-the-discipline-on-communion/
With all due respect this article, particularly its headline, is very poor and pretty much is the conservative equivalent of the poor journalism we accuse the secular media of using.

The headline has nothing to do with the content of the article. Nowhere in the article is the Pope quoted as saying what the headline says. The only reference to what the Pope said was his referring questioners back to the article by Cardinal Schonborn. And nowhere in Cardinal Schonborn’s published comments can an affirmation be found that backs up what the headline says.
 
I am not going to argue with those that think this document changes nothing. I believe that to be wrong, and I suspect time will tell. No doubt those that reject any change will just blame the changes on priests and bishops and label it “dissent” for following what the Holy Father is teaching, but take comfort that no one is going to be forced to receive the Eucharist. A person who individually rejects what is being done here can proceed as if this letter never happened. It is only when a hard heart looks across the aisle as someone he deems unworthy receives communion that there will be any cause for complaint. In such a case, there is a more serious issue in the looking than in the reception, as in the older brother who resents the younger prodigal who is coming home.
 
I am not going to argue with those that think this document changes nothing. I believe that to be wrong, and I suspect time will tell. No doubt those that reject any change will just blame the changes on priests and bishops and label it “dissent” for following what the Holy Father is teaching, but take comfort that no one is going to be forced to receive the Eucharist. A person who individually rejects what is being done here can proceed as if this letter never happened. It is only when a hard heart looks across the aisle as someone he deems unworthy receives communion that there will be any cause for complaint. In such a case, there is a more serious issue in the looking than in the reception, as in the older brother who resents the younger prodigal who is coming home.
How can anyone say it changes nothing? The Pope was asked directly:
For a Catholic who wants to know: are there new, concrete possibilities that didn’t exist before the publication of the exhortation or not?
His answer:
Pope Francis: I can say yes, many.
It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
 
With all due respect this article, particularly its headline, is very poor and pretty much is the conservative equivalent of the poor journalism we accuse the secular media of using.

The headline has nothing to do with the content of the article. Nowhere in the article is the Pope quoted as saying what the headline says. The only reference to what the Pope said was his referring questioners back to the article by Cardinal Schonborn. And nowhere in Cardinal Schonborn’s published comments can an affirmation be found that backs up what the headline says.
That article is a person’s commentary, and not meant to be journalism.

Dan
 
That article is a person’s commentary, and not meant to be journalism.

Dan
Which doesn’t excuse the shoddy headline, which in fact misrepresents what the Holy Father actually said. For shame on the Catholic Herald for even publishing it.

That decision IS journalism.
 
Sure it does. He could have given examples.

Dan
I thought he did?
The divorced who have entered a new union, for example, can find themselves in a variety of situations, which should not be pigeonholed or fit into overly rigid classifications leaving no room for a suitable personal and pastoral discernment. One thing is a second union consolidated over time, with new children, proven fidelity, generous self giving, Christian commitment, a consciousness of its irregularity and of the great difficulty of going back without feeling in conscience that one would fall into new sins. The Church acknowledges situations “where, for serious reasons, such as the children’s upbringing, a man and woman cannot satisfy the obligation to separate”. There are also the cases of those who made every effort to save their first marriage and were unjustly abandoned, or of “those who have entered into a second union for the sake of the children’s upbringing, and are sometimes subjectively certain in conscience that their previous and irreparably broken marriage had never been valid”.330 Another thing is a new union arising from a recent divorce, with all the suffering and confusion which this entails for children and entire families, or the case of someone who has consistently failed in his obligations to the family. It must remain clear that this is not the ideal which the Gospel proposes for marriage and the family. The Synod Fathers stated that the discernment of pastors must always take place “by adequately distinguishing”,331 with an approach which “carefully discerns situations”.332 We know that no “easy recipes” exist.333
It is clear here that he doesn’t equate all situations, and that the floodgates aren’t open for the divorced and remarried, but that in certain cases they may be readmitted to the sacraments (see paragraph 300, and footnote 351).

Since footnote 329 seems relevant:
329 John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris Consortio (22 November 1981), 84: AAS 74 (1982), 186. In such situations, many people, knowing and accepting the possibility of living “as brothers and sisters” which the Church offers them, point out that if certain expressions of intimacy are lacking, “it often happens that faithfulness is endangered and the good of the children suffers” (Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World Gaudium et Spes, 51).
Also:
More is involved here than mere ignorance of the rule. A subject may know full well the rule, yet have great difficulty in understanding “its inherent values”,339 or be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin.
He makes it clear though why he doesn’t give specific examples and entrusts the issue to the judgement of pastors:
If we consider the immense variety of concrete situations such as those I have mentioned, it is understandable that neither the Synod nor this Exhortation could be expected to provide a new set of general rules, canonical in nature and applicable to all cases. What is possible is simply a renewed encouragement to undertake a responsible personal and pastoral discernment of particular cases, one which would recognize that, since “the degree of responsibility is not equal in all cases”,335 the consequences or effects of a rule need not necessarily always be the same.336
(more follows…)
 
…cont’d from above:

I can appreciate that a canon lawyer would be inclined to look at whether a issue is in agreement with the Law, or in disagreement. But I think it’s important to remember that the Law serves mankind, not the other way around. In the non-religious legal sphere, it is clear that there are situations where application of the law can be suspended in certain cases where mercy or need dictates it, without doing injury to the law itself. For example, in the aviation sphere, the FAA imposes a 250 knot speed limit below 10,000 feet. However a fully-laden 747 taking off for an intercontinental flight cannot maintain enough lift to climb out at 250 knots, and must climb out at around 300 knots. Clearly the law is not applied in this case. It does not detract from the safety intent of slowing traffic down below 10,000 ft to account for slow-moving VFR (visual flight rules) traffic that needs time to see and be seen. The same principle may apply for instance, to someone who panics and breaks the speed limit on the way to the hospital if his pregnant wife enters labour in the car. A police car (around here at least) stopping the driver for speeding will quickly assess the situation and provide a high-speed escort to the hospital, and won’t charge the driver. A friend got off a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign when he proved that the weather conditions, and the lack of salting of the road, caused him to slide through the intersection due to ice hidden beneath snow.

It should be clear from this papacy that Francis is no legal absolutist and it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Amoris Laetitia does not promote legal absolutism.

It should also be clear from reading AL that Francis is not proposing that we allow all D&R to receive the sacraments (plural). But by the same token he is also saying that there are some cases where mercy dictates that in exceptional circumstances should allow the person to receive the sacraments. He uses existing criteria in the CCC to defend that position:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church clearly mentions these factors: “imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or even nullified by ignorance,inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, inordinate attachments, and other psychological or social factors”.343 In another paragraph, the Catechism refers once again to circumstances which mitigate moral responsibility, and mentions at length “affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen or even extenuate moral culpability”.344
How anyone can read AL in the context of the Holy Father’s other documents and pronouncements, and claim it is just business as usual with some sugar coating, is beyond me. It is either naivety, wishful thinking, or projection.

Similarly some on the left, and the secular media, are doing the same thing by thinking that AL opens the door wide open. I urge folks to read AL not from a “conservative” or “liberal” or “traditionalist” lens, all of which have no meaning in Catholicism, but as orthodox faithful, and at face value. Taken that way it is clear that some limited change is intended, that Pope Francis is not a legal absolutist, and that he believes that pastoral discernment in these rare and specific cases do not do injustice to the law, they instead make the law just. And also that he puts the responsibility for discernment directly into the hands of the pastors that counsel the faithful on the front lines, not in the hands of jurists in Rome.
 
I thought he did? …
I was speaking in reference to the press conference answer. That’s not to say that I expected him to give a concrete, albeit hypothetical, example of a couple in the circumstance and what, exactly, should or has changed for them. As he said, examining this topic was not the main purpose of the Synods or the Exhortation.

Regarding the rest of your response–I am not getting into it but I appreciate it.

Dan
 
You are correct, it is bad reporting. It is always best to go to the original source.

Here is Dr Peter’s assessment directly

canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/the-law-before-amoris-is-the-law-after/
Notwithstanding the incorrect attribution:
  1. Some think that AL fn. 351 and its accompanying text authorize holy Communion for Catholics in irregular marriages. I would ask, recalling that a matter of law is at issue, where does Francis do this? The pope says that Catholics in irregular unions need the help of the sacraments (which of course they do), but he does not say ALL of the sacraments, and especially, not sacraments for which they are ineligible.
In point of fact, apart from baptism, and the pre-existing sacrament of matrimony, the D & R are in fact barred from all other sacraments except perhaps those at end of life in the presence of sincere contrition.

I cannot imagine how people can actively be sustained by the sacraments if they must wait until death’s door to receive them. Keep reminding them of their baptism? Keep pointing out that they are a long-ago failed sacramental union? Tell them to wait until they die? Hold the Eucharist out as a carrot until they can show they are continent and live as “brother and sister”?

The lawyers need to make room for the physicians. As the Holy Father says, the Eucharist is not a prize for the perfect but medicine for those who are ill.

I can think of few things desecrating the Eucharist more than making it a prize for the perfect rather than nourishment for the weak.

What did Jesus die for after all?
 
In point of fact, apart from baptism, and the pre-existing sacrament of matrimony, the D & R are in fact barred from all other sacraments except perhaps those at end of life in the presence of sincere contrition.
I cannot imagine how people can actively be sustained by the sacraments if they must wait until death’s door to receive them. Keep reminding them of their baptism?
 
I was just reading Deacon Jim Russell’s careful exegesis of Amoris Laetitia including his exegesis of Cardinal Schonborn’s explanation of it. I was hoping for some clarification, but not sure if I got it.

Deacon Russel explains that Pope Francis does not consider Chapter 8 to be the most important chapter of the exhortation. Chapters 4 and 5, rather, are central. Analyzing Cardinal Schonborn’s remarks, as well as Pope Francis’ plane interview, the deacon seems to conclude: “In not deciding, Pope Francis leaves in place everything about that issue that has been previously taught and practiced by the Church.”

Well, it was a circuitous route getting to that conclusion, and I wonder if the Cardinal would agree. Meanwhile, Fr. Zuhlsdorf reports in his blog that he has been told by a tribunal member that he has been receiving telephone calls from people in irregular situations: they tell him that the Pope has said that they can receive communion and their consciences are clear.
 
Two living as brother/sister have ALWAYS been allowed ro receive Communion, sdmar198 is wrong about this. There would have had to be no new encyclical was this the case.
The encyclical is as a result of the synods. The synods were not the “Synods on whether divorced and remarried people can take Communion”, the encyclical is not the “Encyclical on whether divorced and remarried people can take Communion”.

Your statement suggests that the sole reason for writing the encyclical was to determine whether the divorced and remarried can receive Communion and that if nothing has chnaged in this regard then there would be not encyclical.

This encyclical is about 250 pages long and very little of this is devoted to divorce and remarriage, and even less about whether they can or cannot receive Communion. Are you saying that the whole purpose of the encyclical is bound up in a four sentences and one footnote? Why bother with a 250 page encyclical discussing a whole range of other issues if the whole purpose of it lies within a few lines in a paragraph?
 
It is clear here that he doesn’t equate all situations, and that the floodgates aren’t open for the divorced and remarried, but that in certain cases they may be readmitted to the sacraments (see paragraph 300, and footnote 351)
The Church hasn’t changed her teaching on the nature of the indissolubility of marriage, mortal sin, and reception of the Eucharist. There could however be circumstances where there are very serious doubts over the actual validity of a first marriage which, for whatever reason (uncooperative ex spouse, ex spouse can’t be located etc.) is very difficult to obtain an official annulment for. In this case the person is not likely to be actually divorced and remarried, because the first union is deemed to be very likely to be invalid (even if the annulment process hasn’t been completed in order to officially recognise this). In such a case the person is far from ‘perfect’ having messed up seriously before (so the ‘not a prize for the perfect’ remark would certainly fit here) but despite that they are very likely to have not actually been validly married. That is quite different from reading this paragraph as being an OK to give Communion to people who have remarried despite their first marriage being valid.
 
The Church hasn’t changed her teaching on the nature of the indissolubility of marriage, mortal sin, and reception of the Eucharist. There could however be circumstances where there are very serious doubts over the actual validity of a first marriage which, for whatever reason (uncooperative ex spouse, ex spouse can’t be located etc.) is very difficult to obtain an official annulment for. In this case the person is not likely to be actually divorced and remarried, because the first union is deemed to be very likely to be invalid (even if the annulment process hasn’t been completed in order to officially recognise this). In such a case the person is far from ‘perfect’ having messed up seriously before (so the ‘not a prize for the perfect’ remark would certainly fit here) but despite that they are very likely to have not actually been validly married. That is quite different from reading this paragraph as being an OK to give Communion to people who have remarried despite their first marriage being valid.
Priest dicerned annulments!? No need for tribunals now!
 
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