Pope Francis Must Resign: Archbishop Vigano

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We should not be surprised. Our Lady said the final battle will be the attack on the family.
 
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Well this might get interesting. I think parts of the letter are stained by bias a bit and some of it is conjecture, but most of the claims should be taken seriously. It will be interesting to see if it gets picked up by the mainstream media and whether the Vatican will confront it. Maybe we’ll see some more resignations now. It certainly makes Wuerl’s situation worse.

I’m happy to see that Benedict is somewhat vindicated, and disappointed to hear anything about Cardinal Ouellet. I also feel sorry for Archbishop Chaput if half this stuff is true.

Also (assuming this is all true), I respect that Vigano names people across ideological lines. It stings a bit, but it exudes more credibility.

BUT… We can’t be sure and can only pray that God’s will be done.
 
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It’s a multi-pronged and ingenious attack. We must rally together. No Mutiny!
 
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Following this and praying. I’m so sick at the moment. Not sure what to do now. I already had one foot out the door. This might be the final straw for me.
 
God told us in Sacred Scripture that we get the religious leaders we deserve. What do you think we deserfve right now, 13pollitos? Where else can you go? Who else has the words of eternal life?
 
My only reaction right now is to get down on my knees and pray. I don’t know what else to say or do.
 
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It would be a disaster for Pope Francis to resign.

But if it were to happen, I pray we’ll get a pope perhaps even more progressive than Francis.
 
I am seriously considering Orthodox. Maybe the path I have been praying for God to show me is that they have been the true church all along. This is not happening immediately. I am still praying and fasting. It breaks my heart. I will not leave the Eucharist. However, the Orthodox also have the Eucharist. I just cannot see how it is good for my soul to be in Communion with these bishops at the moment. I am clinging to Jesus and bearing my soul to Him. I trust He will make the correct path bright for me to follow. I absolutely love all the good people here who have been so about supporting one another during this horrible time. All of your hope as a collective group has helped me take things slow and remain steady for now. I trust that there are enough truly good people here to save our Church if we stick together. I am praying that is what God wants of us and that He will provide the way.
 
I left the Orthodox Church to become a Catholic. Our Lady didn’t appear to 3 Orthodox Children at Fatima. Or at Lourdes. The Church is the Church and we live in extremely difficult times. Please don’t leave.
 
First let me say that all these child abuse scandals make me sick. I don’t think the Church has handled it right in the past, and I still think the hierarchy has a long way to go. There has never been an excuse for it and there still is no excuse for it. I don’t mean anything I am about to say to diminish that in the slightest.

But Popes throughout history have done much, much worse. Also, I’m suspicious about why this Vigano was saving this up. Did he have it in for Francis and was just waiting for the right time? He and other cardinals, as well as Benedict himself, have known about this for a while. Why bring it up now? Is it because the Church is vulnerable and the time is right to bring Francis down? That would be a greater offense than anything Francis is accused of.

I have my reservations about Francis, but this doesn’t change my view of him. He is still the successor to Christ. His managerial, political and social positions are subordinate to that. If we believe in apostolic succession, we have to support him. If something like this overshadows apostolic succession, then that concept should have been thrown out long ago.
  • Stephen VI dug up his predecessor’s corpse and put it on trial.
  • John XII was accused of homicide, perjury, sacrilege and incest.
  • Boniface VIII said pedophilia was no more problematic than “rubbing one hand against the other.”
  • Sixtus IV had a kid with his sister.
  • Innocent VIII had lots of illegitimate children.
  • Paul IV ordered horrific acts of anti-semitism
  • Pius XI authorized the Vatican Secretary of State (who would later become Pius XII) to sign the first formal recognition of, and cooperation pact with, the Third Reich
  • And don’t get me started on the Borgia popes!
So either you believe, like I do, that imperfect men can carry on apostolic succession, or we need to fold the whole Roman Catholic tent and do something else.
 
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I am seriously considering Orthodox. Maybe the path I have been praying for God to show me is that they have been the true church all along. This is not happening immediately. I am still praying and fasting. It breaks my heart. I will not leave the Eucharist. However, the Orthodox also have the Eucharist. I just cannot see how it is good for my soul to be in Communion with these bishops at the moment. I am clinging to Jesus and bearing my soul to Him. I trust He will make the correct path bright for me to follow. I absolutely love all the good people here who have been so about supporting one another during this horrible time. All of your hope as a collective group has helped me take things slow and remain steady for now. I trust that there are enough truly good people here to save our Church if we stick together. I am praying that is what God wants of us and that He will provide the way.
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If Jesus stood in front of you right now with Judas at one side, what would you say to Him?

“I’m sorry, Lord, but for the actions of this man I cannot remain in Your Church”?
 
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