Pope Francis response to ex nuncio

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Sounds like Pope Francis asked the journalists to do their own homework.
 
I am not sure what your difficulty is. You are attempting to convince me that one letter with allegations is credible.
And you are also attempting to convince me that your Pope and mine should immediately explain himself because a disgruntled archbishop publishes a he said she said letter.

The journos were not doing their homework, they were simply asking for a response.

The Pope is not a punter.
I feel you would rather he and the ex nuncio go 10 rounds in the public boxing ring.

We are going to have to agree to disagree
 
So if I am to understand you, if these journalists do some digging, as you believe they should, and find evidence that corroborates, it would be okay then for them to ask for a response?

I still think at this time in history, they had to ask, but my question to you still stands.
 
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So if I am to understand you, if these journalists do some digging, as you believe they should, and find evidence that corroborates, it would be okay then for them to ask for a response?

I still think at this time in history, they had to ask, but my question to you still stands.
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From which post?
 
Part of their “homework” is to ask Pope Francis whether the testimony of AB Vigano regarding Pope Francis was accurate. He declined to answer. Pope Francis is a poor example for the way we should reply to direct questions from the press, when the press is doing their “homework.”
 
Roseeurekacross said:
I am not sure what your difficulty is. You are attempting to convince me that one letter with allegations is credible.
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Yes, and also trying to explain what credible means.
Roseeurekacross said:
And you are also attempting to convince me that your Pope and mine should immediately explain himself because a disgruntled archbishop publishes a he said she said letter.
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Nope.
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The journos were not doing their homework, they were simply asking for a response.
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That is doing their job.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree
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If you won’t agree to basic definitions of words, then sure. 🙂
 
The post you responded to, first paragraph.
 
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It is the first time I realize how hard it has been and it is for you all,Rose.
Even reading your posts throughout these months and your updates.
Wow. Sorry about that,Rose…very hard indeed.
 
No, we speak the same language, it does not mean we are the same.

Peace ghostly, time will, no doubt, unravel this.

But all bishops, including the Pope, and any current or retired Bishops implicated and found guilty in civil courts of law, not papal, including your mate, the ex nuncio, found guilty of cover ups then Let heads start rolling. all must go.

And I don’t have to remind you Australia already has 1 criminal conviction on 1 Archbishop for historical coverup. So we are setting a precedent you can all choose to follow, or not. So who is the first bishop guilty of coverups in USA to be going on trial in a civil court.

Bring on the Catholic Church spill…

Or not.
 
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Hi Gracie, yep, I feel so strongly about this because myself and my fellow parishioners are walking the talk. We are and have been through the denial, grief, trial by media, revulsion due to being Catholic, marginalisation by being Catholic, and division created by this.

I do totally understand the pain, hurt, betrayal and outrage, and calls for justice.

It has to be fair and through civil courts though. One bishop attacking another publically just confirms the secular worlds thinking.
 
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I would not expect the leader of the Catholic Church to be dragged down into a slanging match. Anyone can claim anything, this does not create an obligation to respond.
Leaders should have more restraint then that.
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Agreed totally. There is no good that will come out of all this slanging match. Any disagreement can be discussed with the Holy Father personally and without public washing of dirty linen. The Church is not secular democracy where leaders seek public opinion on their pet issues.

Praying that the Pope remains strong in the face of all these attacks. May the Holy Spirit strengthen and guide him.
 
I remember how we shared some of it with you but this time it came out all together and you sort of left me speechless. Much worse than one could imagine.
Thank you for sharing it here,Rose.
 
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But all bishops, including the Pope, and any current or retired Bishops implicated and found guilty in civil courts of law, not papal, including your mate, the ex nuncio, found guilty of cover ups then Let heads start rolling. all must go.

And I don’t have to remind you Australia already has 1 criminal conviction on 1 Archbishop for historical coverup. So we are setting a precedent you can all choose to follow, or not. So who is the first bishop guilty of coverups in USA to be going on trial in a civil court.
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I’m not so sanguine about criminal trials and convictions in secular courts. I just want the Pope to lead and speak clearly.

The matters brought up by the Nuncio aren’t even criminal, just allegations of shockingly poor leadership and backroom deals. The criminal ramifications are less dire than the institutional rot that is beibg alleged.
 
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“But all bishops, including the Pope, and any current or retired Bishops implicated and found guilty in civil courts of law, not papal, including your mate, the ex nuncio…”

Excuse me? The ex-nuncio (AB Vigano) was found guilty in civil courts?? Where? When?
 
my Bishop, the man responsible for putting us back together is a living Saint. And he would never rip the bandaid off by such divisive action. Pastorally, it could be extremely damaging. Our last suicide was about 18 mths ago. A victim that never spoke up, but was living the experience of what we were all experiencing.

To me, the Pope’s response is the only valid one, from a pastoral care perspective. It was warm, gentle, loving, and refused to engage.
 
Do you think he should be more concerned atm with pastoral care for a wounded broken church in USA, or be combative
 
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