Pope Francis response to ex nuncio

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The archbishop found guilty of coverups is an Australian archbishop, he is serving time for this in home detention. He was on trial, found guilty and convicted in a secular court, not a papal court.

And he won’t be the last. It has set a global precedent.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Do you think he should be more concerned atm with pastoral care for a wounded broken church in USA, or be combative
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I’m not even sure what you’re asking here. I think the Pope should be open, honest, and acting as a leader. His statements to the press were none of these things.
 
Ah. My apologies. I thought you were talking about the AB who made a testimony. Best regards.
 
It’s also alleged he , your ex nuncio, destroyed documents and covered up. Others are alleging that.

We set a precedent. A month or so ago. People say oh look Australia has archbishops and cardinals on trial. Let’s do the same

And rightly so, do the crime, do the time.
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I’m not even sure what you’re asking here.
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Should the Popes first concern at this time be pastoral care?
 
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And how do you think victims, survivors, and those parishioners and religious attempting to deal with this mentally, would take a 10 round media punch up? Between the hierarchy of the church?
 
Roseeurekacross said:
And how do you think victims, survivors, and those parishioners and religious attempting to deal with this mentally, would take a 10 round media punch up? Between the hierarchy of the church?
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I can’t speak for them, and neither can you. I’m not suggesting a media war, I’m saying that direct and open honesty is what is needed now. That can be done without a battle, and it can be done with dodging the issue.

The thing that no one wants right now, except those that prefer the status quo, is avoiding the issue and hand-waving. The Pope’s response was just that, unfortunately.
 
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Ghosty1981 said:
Sure, which is why he needs to be open and honest.
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In a matter of two days,and at his age,he had to face the painful and difficult situation in Ireland,also a meeting with the victims that leaves any normal person devastated and at the same time,read that you are being accused of a cover up and asked to resign by an Archbishop.
I do not know about you,but I would have fainted on the plane and slept until the next day and to the journalists “,send them my blessing. Good night.”
But that is me. He ,remained standing.
 
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Oh I can speak for them, I am one of them, one of the parishioners. I can tell how some survivors and their families think. Too.

And truly I believe Pope Francis is doing what is right, pastorally at this time.

The poor guy still has to deal with the Australian Bishops response to the proposals of the Royal Commission, including the seal of Reconcilliation this week .

Bring on that great battle
 
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graciew said:
I do not know about you,but I would have fainted on the plane and slept until the next day and to the journalists “,send them my blessing. Good night.”
But that is me. He ,remained standing.
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I don’t expect a full-throated response. Heck, I don’t expect anything more than “this is a lot to handle at the moment, and I will have more for you later.”

What I can’t accept, however, is telling reporters to do their job when that is exactly what they are doing. “Make up your minds, and then maybe I’ll talk to you about this,” is such a bizarre non-answer, especially when the Pope’s words are absolutely critical to making up our minds on the matter.
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
Oh I can speak for them, I am one of them, one of the parishioners. I can tell how some survivors and their families think. Too.
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No, you can’t speak for them unless you were abused yourself. Don’t presume.

I know people who were accused, one of them was a close personal friend. I’ve also personally known a religious brother that was privately censured for activities just like McCarrick’s. He even solicited me in a round-about way, though I was an adult at the time. I’ve seen condoms on a priest’s night stand. All of these are separate cases.

These things aren’t foreign to me, but I’m not even up in arms about the sex abuse and scandals per se. You haven’t seen me post on these subjects until the recent allegations against the Pope came up, because I am not shocked nor scandalized by sinful priests and bishops. I expect it, I’ve seen it.

I expect more from the man responsible for leading the Church.
 
Ghostly, what exactly are you presuming of me? What exactly are you missing.
Do you think I am just an observer standing back thinking this all happened somewhere else.
What do you know about what happened on an altar where my communion is consecrated daily. Or at a primary school I drive past daily that will never reopen. We aren’t discussing prophylactics on nightstands . Oh, if only we were!
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
Ghostly, what exactly are you presuming of me? What exactly are you missing.
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I’m not presuming anything. You said you could speak for the victims of abuse because you are a parishoner in a church that was affected. I’m telling you to not presume to speak for actual victims.

I have also been personally affected by these activites and accusations, but I will not presume to speak for victims.
 
Okay. I hesitate to respond because I don’t know if “your ex nuncio” is referring to Vigano, but I would note that Vigano has responded today to the charges against him. Unlike the Pope, who told reporters to read Vigano’s testimony and come to their own conclusions…without answering their direct questions…, Vigano replied.
 
Oh I can speak for them, I am one of them, one of the parishioners. I can tell how some survivors and their families think. Too.
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If you are a victim, then by all means speak for yourself. Just don’t presume to speak for all victims.
 
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graciew said:
It is what you would have preferred. OK.
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Yes, and I believe it would have been a more appropriate response.

We will have to see what he has in store for us, because this won’t be going away until he answers directly.
 
Did I say I was, exactly who did I say I could speak for? All victims? Or
Hmm what groups, and why in my Parish and Diocese

I can even speak for the reticence and surprise of visiting clergy and religious. Why? Because they speak to us.
 
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