Pope: 'I will not say a single word' on Vigano's allegations of cover-up

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What’s your source?
It’s possible that the archbishop is confused or mistaken on some of his points, but he swore an oath before God that his testimony is correct… if it’s a complete lie / fabrication as many are saying, he would have to basically be a closet atheist.
 
And a three priests have told me otherwise. What does that prove? Nothing. Not for you, not for me, not for anyone at all. Until Pope Francis and Pope Benedict speak out, until there is transparency across the board on every level of the hierarchy, and until all hidden documents are opened and reviewed by lay Catholics, not a single person’s opinion is going to be believed or respected. None of this makes a lick of difference whether they are a priest, a bishop or cardinal.
 
No one (including priests) has ever defied direct order from superiors before? I grew up in a diocese that had several priests that openly defied “private” or “semiprivate” sanctions imposed upon them. Many vocally spoke of this. Others were quiet about it. However, eventually this sanctions became public for the ones who weren’t complying. Most at that point either worked to reconcile with Rome or quietly left the priesthood. The two most vocal about flaunting orders at the time they became public started their own congregations. They call it “reformed” Catholic Church or something like that. They still “say Mass” and have “sacraments” but they are not truly Catholic. So for me it is not hard to believe that McCarrick May very well have had private sanctions that he just ignored. I have seen it happen
 
I’ve seen similar. Not surprised. It all just goes along with proof of cover ups all the way to the top.
 
So gnarly for the mind but I do understand the pressure these people work under to maintain a certain status.

This is probably the reason for silence from Pope Francis. He will have to speak eventually and his words must be the Full Truth. No half truth will be accepted.
 
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Btw, the priest who told me is a very good friend of my sister and I trust his words. He is not into gossips.
 
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If Cardinal Was Under Pope’s Sanctions, Why Was He Allowed at Gala Events? https://nyti.ms/2C4BMRs Got this from New Advent
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Great question…it has already been addressed by Ghosty 1981in post #35 Former Nuncio now says sanctions against McCarrick were ‘private’.

Follow the link posted…here are some quotes:
The former papal nuncio to the U.S. responded to efforts in the media to question his testimony that Pope Francis covered-up for McCarrick while knowing of his reputation for sexual abuse of seminarians and priests. Viganó reiterated in the interview that he had spoken with McCarrick about the restrictions Benedict had put upon him, but that as nuncio he did not have authority to enforce those restrictions.

“I was not in the position of enforcing,” Viganó told LifeSiteNews, “especially because the measures (sanctions) given to McCarrick (were made) in a private way. That was the decision of Pope Benedict.”

Viganó said Pope Benedict made McCarrick’s sanctions private, perhaps “due to the fact that he (McCarrick) was already retired, maybe due to the fact that he (Benedict) was thinking he was ready to obey.”
> But, McCarrick, “certainly he didn’t obey,” Viganó told LifeSiteNews.
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Viganó, nuncio from October 2011 to April 2016, explained he was just beginning his role as the Pope’s representative at the time when each of the events in the various video clips edited together by CNS took place, and just learning the culture and hierarchy of his new assignment in the U.S.

Aside from just beginning in his mission, he said, the nuncio is not somebody who may enforce restrictions directly, especially with a cardinal, who is considered the superior. Such an enforcement would belong to someone in the position of Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, and McCarrick successor, said Viganó.
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I trust priests, too. And whether or not there is any political motivation is irrelevant. Is his testimony true?

Archbishop Viganis s well trusted by those who know him. He took an oath stating his testimony is true. Maybe you haven’t seen, but numerous bishops are attesting to his trustworthiness. There have been several confirmations of specifics in his testimony.

Does your priest personally know Vigano?
 
One of the priests I talked to was my daughter’s godfather. Very close to our family. Another one is a dear friend of mine from childhood. Another is my cousin. None are prone to gossip. It truly doesn’t mean that their opinions are correct, just as a friend of your sister who is a priest is the one with the correct opinion. Quite honestly, the whole truth most likely lies somewhere between. That is why we need to fully investigate and be prepared to accept whatever is uncovered no matter how ugly
 
The Pope will not say a single word but…
on Saturday spoke out on the emergency in the amount of plastic in the ocean.
 
At least he’s not long winded answering questions the faithful would like clarified:

Gay lobby? Who am I to judge.

AL footnote? Don’t remember.

Dubia? (Silence)

Petitions of close to 800,000 Catholics to end widespread confusion over AL? The document written by Buenos Aires bishops is good interpretation

Communion for adulterers? Talk to Shonborn

Communion for protestants? No. Yes. I trust you to decide for yourself.

Does hell exist? No quotation in Scalfari’s article is exactly what pope said.

Vigano’s accusations? Have the media read and draw own conclusions. I trust them. It’s an act of faith.

McCarrrick? I will not speak. And I forbid anyone else who has been implicated to speak.
 
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The Pope will not say a single word but…
on Saturday spoke out on the emergency in the amount of plastic in the ocean.
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……. it does look bad and hopelessly compromised.

Let the politically correct advocate their own causes. If the politically correct religion were not mentioning straws but bottle tops then I fear the pope would be saying nothing about straws but parroting about the evils of bottle tops.

…… it does look bad and hopelessly compromised.
 
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Can’t you all see what’s happening? It’s everywhere – Catholics hurling insults against the Pope…Pope Francis is still the vicar of Christ. I truly weep seeing all these. Can’t you see that this is not the way? We are becoming a church divided. Pope Francis is the only Pope who has aggressively addressed these issues…and we are starting to see changes.

McCarrick abuses continued over 20 years during the Papacies of Pope JPII, Pope Benedict, and Pope Francis…but suddenly, it’s all Pope Francis’ fault? Like the cases in Chile, the Pope publicly and humbly apologized after he had more information on the cases. I will give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt on McCarrick’s case.

Cardinal Donald Wuerl whom Viganò also accused of cover-up, said Viganò had not produced “any objective verifiable proof” of his assertion.

REGARDING THE VIDEO FOOTAGE/s:

Why would you believe Viganò when his defense was inconsistent with the video footage. The Pope was genuinely cordial with him in words and in gesture. Holding both his hands, the Pope even thanked Viganò, “Thank you for your words.” Without looking away, the Pope then gave Viganò a general advice but Viganò took it personally. Warm greetings followed by insults the next? In this case, I will side with what’s evident in the video footage.

Second video, Viganò claimed to just make an appreciation because he couldn’t make the slightest impression that he had something against the cardinal in public…Really? “very much love?” Sure! Viganò seemed genuinely pleased.

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Thank you kyrie03 for taking time to reply… there may be some truths to his statements, but this is not the way…
 
Who is saying it is the fault of Pope Francis? Pope Francis is not the only one who has aggressively addressed these issues - when Benedict XVI was Pope he also addressed the issues.
I am a convert of 10 years to the Catholic faith. Pope Francis is the vicar of Christ and I would think that after we have all been made aware of with the McCarrick case and the Pennsylvania scandal and the damage this is doing to the Church and to the faithful that the priority right now for Pope Francis is to clean up the mess in the Catholic church and not the mess in the ocean. I am a part of this Church. I am not throwing insults at Pope Francis, but the Church is in crisis and has been in crisis since 2002. As a Catholic, my concern is not about the plastic in the ocean, but my concern is for the health of my Church and its priests, bishops and cardinals. I want to know that my Church is Holy, as well as the priests, bishops and cardinals who are in the day to day management of the Church. I don’t want any of this swept under the rug anymore.
I believe it is our obligation and right to be able to voice our criticisms if something is amiss.
 
If we are becoming a church divided then I think Pope Francis has to take a lot of the cause for that.

There is a reason why many Catholics are not rushing in to defend him but advocating transparency and answers.

Pope Francis is by no means the first pope to deal with clerical abuse but he has been the first one credibly accused of a cover up and he did back the Chilean abuser even in the face of huge outcry from those quarters.

I do not support the pope politically but I do not want to see him brought down. He seems to have brought his current position on himself. And worse still he has put himself in this position through a lack of transparency and honest dialogue and a lack of recognition from himself that he needs to be so.

There is nobody else to blame for that but himself.
 
OK abucs, I came into the Church in 2004 so I am not very knowledgeable with how Vatican dealt with clerical abuse among other concerns in the past. Please do enlighten me about what Pope JPII did to address these issues…As to Pope Benedict XVI, he resigned in the midst of problems so I guess, Pope Francis is greater for staying put and dealing with a wounded Church.
 
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