Pope: 'I will not say a single word' on Vigano's allegations of cover-up

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He is staying put and I hope he remains because he has a lot of questions to answer. Not just about this particular crisis but many other questions asked of him as well. We have been waiting for YEARS for some of these answers.

I was so excited when we got our first American pope. My family is from South America. My husbands family is from Mexico. I grew up in the US. It was as if this side of the world FINALLY was noticed by the Church. I was among the first to dismiss things as rumors and untruths or trying to explain away quotes that seemed to defy logic or church doctrine. I would blame the media for misquoting or flat out making things up. I keep hoping that Pope Francis will speak out clearly, but now he admits he will not say one word about the destruction of our Church, and a few days later speak out on water. He is so upset about Kim Davis because it was too “political” but environmentalism and illegal immigration are not.

I am truly confused. I feel as though I have been wondering in a swirling fog for the last 5 years. I have tried to be charitable and sought answers for myself. Every time he seems to align himself with Catholicism I rejoice. But now I have grown weary of excusing and trying to defend what I don’t understand. I feel very deceived. I NEED Pope Francis to answers the Dubia and talk about these allegations. I want to know why he said mother’s shouldn’t “breed like rabbits.” I want him to explain his personal phone calls to strangers early in his papacy, and explain how changing the catechism doesn’t set off alarm bells. I want him to tell us why he “rehabilitated” more than a couple priests/bishops/cardinals who went on to abuse again, and he chastised abuse victims publically and told them they were gossips. I want him to let us know how many other popes have done these same things and what else we are going to uncover before outsiders actually do. I hope when he does finally speak that he ends up rebuilding our Church, not attempting to reform it.
 
In fairness to Pope Francis, that message was timed with the World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation, which he instituted back in 2015. So of course he was going to say something about it. Popes always issue statements on days such as that.

It’s really just the pope carrying on with regular Vatican business, which I would expect him to do regardless of whether or not he chose to respond to Vigano’s letter.
 
Benedict removed hundreds of priests… but he did so quietly and never got much fanfair or recognition for it.
 
My pastor a few months ago wrote about the danger of plastics in our water several months ago. It is a serious problem. You know chemicals in plastics can mimic estrogen and upset hormone balances? Think about the effects of xenoestrogens in the water supplies. Btw not criticizing you Joe.
 
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I believe he also put into place stricter psychological testing for seminarians and other steps to try to prevent men with these attractions from becoming priests.
Bemedict XVI apologized several times, met with abuse victims. There are probably more things that he did, I just don’t remember.
 
I can appreciate that view. I just have seen some people act as though it’s a deliberate dodge by the pope, but I don’t think it is. I think he’s just proceeding with business as usual—for good or ill.
 
I think Benedict is one of those popes under-appreciated in his time, but which history will show started the process of shaking the tree so that the rotten fruit would fall.

Unfortunately age and it’s associated infirmities caught up with him.

I heard him speak at the Angelus when I was at Castel Gandolfo in 2005 just after his election, and again in 2009 at St Peter’s. I noticed in 2009 he seemed very tired compared to 2005. We should keep him in our prayers.
 
Benedict was not pressured from office unless of course we believe he is a liar.

I do not.
 

I love hearing Father Leo Clifford. He always has something for everyone.
 
I too think Benedict will be more appreciated in history. He had tried to take down Maciel Marcial in the 1990s as head of the CDF but John Paul II protected Marcial. Benedict XVI is to be credited with finally doing something about that flagrant abuser.
 
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I can appreciate that view. I just have seen some people act as though it’s a deliberate dodge by the pope, but I don’t think it is. I think he’s just proceeding with business as usual—for good or ill.
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i think that is the problem though, just proceeding with business as usual. How has that helped over the last 16 years?
We can’t hide from this anymore.
 
Pope Benedict had a lot going on, there were a multitude of situations going on, physical, emotional and spiritual, that led to his decision to step away from the Papacy.
 
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JimR-OCDS states: Jesus didn’t respond when he was being falsely accused either.

Pope Francis is being Christlike, not responding

Vigano caused great harm to the Church by releasing his loose accusation against the Pope, and of course the secular media picked it up and is running with it.

Of course the conservative Catholics who never trust the secular media, are accepting the news as Gospel truth because it’s against Pope Francis whom they haven’t liked since becoming Pope.
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This is the color of safety glasses worn while hitting the nail on the head!
(No disrespect intended, it just makes clear where those who have difficulty trusting Vigano’s statement are coming from)
 
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@twf @13pollitos @kyrie03 @7_Sorrows @abucs

I can understand all your frustrations, but we, out of haste and frustration, would often say and do things that we will later regret. It was not a power-grab, Pope Francis was duly elected by a Papal conclave in 2013 and thus, his papacy is legitimate and is of God’s Will. Calling for his resignation is man’s will.

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I don’t usually post about myself especially in an online forum but felt it is needed…

I mentioned that I became a practicing Catholic in 2004 and I will tell you why. I was baptized Catholic, but never practiced; my parents were Buddhists. It’s a long story and you need to understand tradition in this part of the world.

One day, we just came out of the temple when I witnessed an unkind act. I said to myself, how could theirs be the God of Love when the heart is empty of it? I was 6-8 years old so it was a young child’s thought. I looked at the sky and said, “I want You to be my God, but how should I call You?” That day, I started calling God, “God of Abraham.” – don’t ask me how I came up with the Name but it just happened. After some time I was watching TV and was switching channels when suddenly I heard a televangelist said, “Do you know that God is our Father?” “You are my Father? And I am your daughter???” >>>Knowing that it is meant to be a relationship, it is the happiest day of my young life.

When I was twelve, I saw a beggar in an underpass. I was about to pass him by when he spoke to me in perfect English… believe me, no beggar in my country speaks in perfect English. When I heard that he has not eaten in three days, I hurriedly bought food and drinks for him…After this, I started to receive miracles and visions…and it is because of one of these visions that I began practicing Catholicism in 2004 because I realized that the Church has the fullness of truth.
 
I honestly don’t want Pope Francis to resign. I simply want answers. If those answers show he is part of the deep problems in our Church, I want him to lead the way in fixing this mess. If he is innocent, I also want him to lead the way in fixing this mess. He needs to speak out! He is our shepherd and we need him to lead us in a clear direction now.

I enjoyed your life story. You are very blessed. Thank you for sharing that.
 
We don’t know what God’s will is yet.
Was it God’s will that Benedict XVI resigned early and that he did not remain until his death like JPII?
Francis is Pope now and he needs to lead the Church in this crisis. He needs to act so we know the Catholic church is serious about being sorry for allowing these priests and bishops to continue do what they did and the Catholic church is serious about changing and ridding the church of these scandals and corruption. If the hierarchy, including Pope Francis, drag their feet and don’t act, we have a problem.
 
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