Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"

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REGENSBURG, Germany (Reuters) - Pope Benedict invited Muslims on Tuesday to join a dialogue of cultures based on the premise that the concept of an Islamic “holy war” is unreasonable and against God’s nature.

In a major lecture at Regensburg University, where he taught theology between 1969 to 1977, Benedict said Christianity is tightly linked to reason and contrasted this view with those who believe in spreading their faith by the sword.
The 79-year-old Pontiff avoided making a direct criticism of Islam, packaging his comments in a highly complex academic lecture with references ranging from ancient Jewish and Greek thinking to Protestant theology and modern atheism.

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com
 
The German Roman Catholic Pope quoted from a book recounting a conversation between a 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam. “The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war,” the Pope said.

"He said, I quote, ‘Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached,’ " he quoted the emperor as saying. Clearly aware of the delicacy of the issue, Benedict added, “I quote,” twice before pronouncing the phrases on Islam and described them as “brusque,” while neither explicitly agreeing with nor repudiating them.

“The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable,” Benedict said. He did not relate the Persian scholar’s response to the emperor. “Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul,” the pontiff said.

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Thank you Gilliam, for the posts. I never saw this. Funny how some things go unoticed and others get full blown attention.

It must be very difficult for the Holy Father to speak about all this, and I admire his bravery in doing so. It seems to be an unpopular position to take.

Long Live the Pope!🙂
 
The pope said the emperor must have known of the early Islamic teaching that “there is no compulsion in religion,” but was no doubt also aware of later instructions in the Koran about holy war.

In the account, the emperor goes on to explain why spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable, because violence is incompatible with God and with the nature of the soul.

The pope then pointed to a key question about Islam that is raised by the narrative: whether God is absolutely transcendent for Muslims, and therefore not bound up with “any of our categories, even that of rationality.”

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REGENSBURG, Germany (Reuters) - Pope Benedict invited Muslims on Tuesday to join a dialogue of cultures based on the premise that the concept of an Islamic “holy war” is unreasonable and against God’s nature.

In a major lecture at Regensburg University, where he taught theology between 1969 to 1977, Benedict said Christianity is tightly linked to reason and contrasted this view with those who believe in spreading their faith by the sword.
The 79-year-old Pontiff avoided making a direct criticism of Islam, packaging his comments in a highly complex academic lecture with references ranging from ancient Jewish and Greek thinking to Protestant theology and modern atheism.

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com
Well if I were advising the Pope I would quote the late President Reagan: “Trust but Verify”
 
The pope said the emperor must have known of the early Islamic teaching that “there is no compulsion in religion,” but was no doubt also aware of later instructions in the Koran about holy war.

In the account, the emperor goes on to explain why spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable, because violence is incompatible with God and with the nature of the soul.

The pope then pointed to a key question about Islam that is raised by the narrative: whether God is absolutely transcendent for Muslims, and therefore not bound up with “any of our categories, even that of rationality.”

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0605188.htm
Archbishop Fulton Sheen prophetically spoke of the resurgence of Islam in our day. Although Islam presents itself as a religion of peace, as far as I’m concerned Satan has hijacked Islam and now operates under the darkside called terrorism.
 
The Best of Greek Thought Is “An Integral Part of Christian Faith”

The complete text of the lecture given by the pope on the afternoon of Tuesday, September 12, 2006, in the main hall of the University of Regensburg

by Benedict XVI

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FAITH, REASON AND THE UNIVERSITY.
MEMORIES AND REFLECTIONS

… This profound sense of coherence within the universe of reason was not troubled, even when it was once reported that a colleague had said there was something odd about our university: it had two faculties devoted to something that did not exist: God. That even in the face of such radical scepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole, was accepted without question.

I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was probably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than the responses of the learned Persian. The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur’an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship of the “three Laws”: the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur’an. In this lecture I would like to discuss only one point – itself rather marginal to the dialogue itself - which, in the context of the issue of “faith and reason”, I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.

In the seventh conversation-controversy, edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: “There is no compulsion in religion”. It is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threaten. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur’an, concerning holy war. Without decending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the “Book” and the “infidels”, he turns to his interlocutor somewhat brusquely with the central question on the relationship between religion and violence in general, in these words: “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”. The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. “God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death…”.

The rest is here:
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The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God’s will, we would even have to practise idolatry.
 
as far as I’m concerned Satan has hijacked Islam and now operates under the darkside called terrorism.
Hijacked Islam? That’s a bit broad, I’d say. Satan may have hijacked some Moslems to use their religion as justification for doing evil.
One might as well have said that Satan hijacked Christianity in America when Christians tolerated slavery. Hijacked some Christians to do his will - sure, but Christianity?
 
Hijacked Islam? That’s a bit broad, I’d say. Satan may have hijacked some Moslems to use their religion as justification for doing evil.
One might as well have said that Satan hijacked Christianity in America when Christians tolerated slavery. Hijacked some Christians to do his will - sure, but Christianity?
By Father John Corapi SOLT

“Islam, an Arabic word that has often been defined as ‘to make peace,’ seems like a living contradiction today. Although it is supposed to be a religion of peace, Islam has been hijacked by Satan and now operates in the dark space of international terrorism.
As we celebrate the birthday of Our Lady, I am proposing that each one of us pray the Rosary for peace. Prayer is what must precede all other activity if that activity is to have any chance of success. Pray for peace, pray the Rosary every day without fail.”
 
By Father John Corapi SOLT

"Islam, an Arabic word that has often been defined as ‘to make peace,’
The word “islam” means “submit”. It is normally interpreted to mean to submit to God’s Law. In Islam, God’s Law is defined in the Quran.
 
By Father John Corapi SOLT

…I am proposing that each one of us pray the Rosary for peace. Prayer is what must precede all other activity if that activity is to have any chance of success. Pray for peace, pray the Rosary every day without fail."
With due respect to the good Father, I will pray for peace through victory over the terrorists.
 
Use of slur-words like “Islamofascist” is against the Forum rules.
Relinquisting the term I.F. doesnt lessen who they really are.

It may make us feel better but it dosnt change what is real.
 
Use of slur-words like “Islamofascist” is against the Forum rules.
Although it is forbiden in CAF it is not a slur word at all. It is an apt descrition of those who want to destory us. I have seen President Bush called a lot worst-in these forums nonentheless, with a nary a peep from those who are so easliy offended by the “IF” word.
 
Relinquisting the term I.F. doesnt lessen who they really are.

It may make us feel better but it dosnt change what is real.
gnjsdad is not on my view. I don’t know if this is a technical problem.

But- StMarkEofE,

I do agree with you. I think that the forum rules do not prevent us from calling a spade a spade. But- again- I do not have this posters words for some reason…

Truth in advertising friends. That is the bottom line. Holy Father did not do anything wrong.
 
Thank you Gilliam, for the posts. I never saw this. Funny how some things go unoticed and others get full blown attention.

It must be very difficult for the Holy Father to speak about all this, and I admire his bravery in doing so. It seems to be an unpopular position to take.

Long Live the Pope!🙂
Ya dude this pope rocks! Its about time the world finds out the truth about Islam anyways…
 
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