Pope met with Kentucky clerk Kim Davis during his US trip, according to her lawyers

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coachkfan1 said:
Being that this guy is an attorney who would know the repercussions of making libelous statements do you really think he would lie? Also I read where the Pope called the mayor of Rome a “fake Catholic” for supporting gay marriage. My pastor said the media will find a reason to turn on Pope Francis, and this may well be it.
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Cathoholic said:
EmperorNapoleon. You said:

QUOTE:
I don’t believe this story. I think its yet another fabrication on the part of the Liberty Council . . . .

As anthony022071 mentioned,

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. . . Robert Moynihan of Inside the vatican that first broke the story, not Kim Davis’ lawyers.

Inside The Vatican gives some of Robert Moynihan’s credentials including . . . .

About Robert Moynihan

Dr. Robert Moynihan is founder and editor-in-chief of Inside the Vatican magazine. He is an American journalist with a knowledge of five languages and a seasoned Vatican analyst. He earned his B.A. in English, magna cum laude from Harvard and a M.A and Ph.D. in Medieval Studies from Yale. . . .

What are you basing your incredulity on?

Is there any direct evidence this story is a fabrication? (I am not talking about a conspiracy theory somebody may have cooked up in his or her mind. I am wondering if you know something about this meeting that I do not know).

Moynihan’s credentials sound pretty good to me so far (but I am open to hearing what you have to say to discredit him).

God bless.

Cathoholic

Incidentally. Other news outlets are also beginning to report the story (in an alleged sense admittedly, but nobody is challenging it in any of these reports either)

CBS News is now reporting this story (here).

The NY Times is now reporting the story (here).

FoxNews is also now reporting the story (here).

ABC News is now also reporting the story (here).

Even NBC is reporting the story (here).

EmperorNapoleon. I’ll await your evidence, and proceed as indicated.
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Thanks for all the info. Dr. Robert Moynihan is certainly a scholarly man.
 
Do you really believe lawyers and politicians are always truthful? I can tell you, they are not. I didn’t read the article in which Dr. Moynihan is quoted, but journalists sometimes repeat rumors as well. Those are three groups (lawyers, politicians, and journalists, think Brian Williams) not known for honesty.

If it’s true, why all the secrecy? Kim loves the spotlight and Pope Francis doesn’t shun photos or hide his views.

I think I’ll still wait for the photos. 🤷 Or official word from the Vatican, which apparently, they have not given.
 
ServusHumilis said:
I didn’t get that impression watching his 50 minute speech, albeit prepared, to the US Congress.
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Pope Francis’ English may not be fluent but I agree that he seems to have a fairly good grasp of the language based on hearing his prepared speech to Congress.

I believe that he did meet and talk with Kim Davis, pending credible evidence to the contrary.
 
coachkfan1 said:
Being that this guy is an attorney who would know the repercussions of making libelous statements do you really think he would lie? Also I read where the Pope called the mayor of Rome a “fake Catholic” for supporting gay marriage. My pastor said the media will find a reason to turn on Pope Francis, and this may well be it.
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Since he’s an attorney, he would know that simply telling a lie about someone isn’t slander or libelous. The lie also has to harm the person’s reputation and cause them damages in some way. If Pope Francis had a “secret” meeting with Kim Davis that doesn’t really harm his reputation or cause him damages in any way. The Pope is allowed to meet whoever he wants to meet.

Well, I do believe you did read that Pope Francis called the mayor of Rome a “fake Catholic,” but I don’t believe Pope Francis said that. I believe you, I don’t believe the writer of whatever you read. Pope Francis is not uncharitable. Just the opposite. He’s very charitable and kind.

Rumors get started and take on a life of their own, so to speak. When I worked as a book editor, I also reviewed some books for a major outlet. Well, one was just terrible. It was horribly written, with a plot that was all over the place. It sold maybe ten copies, all to the author’s friends. The author was a very unstable woman with a borderline personality disorder. She accused me of having had a “love affair” with a convicted murderer (in for life) who went to prison before I was even born! (She said his attorney arranged for us to meet in a room off the visitors’ room.) She was writing this lie any place on the Internet she could. She filled in so many “details” she got others to believe her. Then they wrote about it on the Internet. We all know if something is on the Internet, it must be true! LOL She even posed as me and wrote emails to the criminal’s attorney. For a while, he actually believed it was me and told others I wrote him. I was even mentioned in the newspaper! All the time, the borderline personality writer was posing as someone who wanted to be my friend. So, when I found out who was doing this, I sued her, and of course I won. The criminal himself provided a notarized statement that we had never had any contact whatsoever. I had never been in the state where the criminal was housed. It took me three years to get all the trash off the Internet, but I did it. So, I know what libel is and isn’t and I know how rumors can seem to be true when there is not a shred of truth in them.

There is no reason why Pope Francis would keep a meeting with Kim Davis secret. He supports her decision not to issue marriage licenses to SS couples. We all know that.

I’m sorry, I’m still skeptical. It may be true, but I won’t believe it until I see photos or have official word from the Vatican. There are things about this that just don’t “sit right.” Sneaking into the building, embracing (the Pope doesn’t embrace grown women that I’ve ever seen unless they take the lead), the giving of rosaries, which both are immediately going to give away, etc. If Pope Francis ever gave me a rosary, I would treasure it for life even if I weren’t Catholic, which I am. No, sounds made up by her lawyer to me, and, as I said, a lie isn’t always libelous. It doesn’t harm the reputation of Pope Francis.

I looked at the news articles. All are carefully worded to say that “Kim Davis reports” or “Lawyers for Kim Davis report.” Nothing at all from the Vatican. Not one word.
 
cbsnews.com/news/attorney-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-met-with-pope/

< Father Ciro Benedettini of the Holy See Press Office told CBS News, “The Vatican does not confirm nor deny this.”

Vatican spokesperson the Rev. Federico Lombardi later told CBS News the same thing.

Veteran Vatican watchers say that terminology amounts to confirmation. In essence, it happened, but the Vatican isn’t going to confirm it.

The reason the Vatican gives in situations like this is that the encounter was totally private and it doesn’t offer information on private meetings with the pope. >
 
tryphon said:
Maybe she will come back to Rome…
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I doubt it since she and her husband immediately said they would give their rosaries away. Looks like they aren’t planning on using them or even cherishing them.

I’m still not convinced. I’ve worked in Rome, actually at the Vatican as part of my theological training, but I had to live in Rome, not Vatican City, and the Vatican sometimes does refuse to deny things that did not occur. If Pope Francis wanted it to be private, surely Ms. Davis should respect his wishes instead of splashing it all over the Internet.

We all know the Holy Father’s views on SSM, so there would be no reason for him to hide his meeting with Mrs. Davis.

I won’t say they did meet or they didn’t meet, just that I will wait for photos or Vatican confirmation.
 
anthony022071 said:
cbsnews.com/news/attorney-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-met-with-pope/

< Father Ciro Benedettini of the Holy See Press Office told CBS News, “The Vatican does not confirm nor deny this.”

Vatican spokesperson the Rev. Federico Lombardi later told CBS News the same thing.

Veteran Vatican watchers say that terminology amounts to confirmation. In essence, it happened, but the Vatican isn’t going to confirm it.

The reason the Vatican gives in situations like this is that the encounter was totally private and it doesn’t offer information on private meetings with the pope. >
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Yet on the press conference on the plane trip home, when asked about Kim Davis, Pope Francis said he knew little about her case. Doesn’t sound like he met her to me. 🤷 And I do NOT believe our Holy Father lies. Not for a millisecond! I doubt that he would have a private meeting with someone he knows little about and give her and her husband rosaries he has blessed. Sounds fishy to me. And why would there be photos, but “in the possession of the Vatican?” The Holy Father didn’t mind taking “selfies” with anyone else. Maybe the spokespeople who would not confirm or deny did not know. Pope Francis does have a private life they don’t know about. He doesn’t have time for much of a private life, but he has a little.
 
“The meeting is a fact, and facts are the material of which reality is composed, and human beings, though they cannot, as T.S. Eliot said, bear very much reality, strive nevertheless to live in reality,” Robert Moynihan wrote in a piece called “The Secret Meeting of the Papal Trip.” “And reality cannot be understood without knowledge of the facts. Of what really happened.”
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Lily_Bernans said:
Since he’s an attorney, he would know that simply telling a lie about someone isn’t slander or libelous. The lie also has to harm the person’s reputation and cause them damages in some way. If Pope Francis had a “secret” meeting with Kim Davis that doesn’t really harm his reputation or cause him damages in any way. The Pope is allowed to meet whoever he wants to meet.

Well, I do believe you did read that Pope Francis called the mayor of Rome a “fake Catholic,” but I don’t believe Pope Francis said that. I believe you, I don’t believe the writer of whatever you read. Pope Francis is not uncharitable. Just the opposite. He’s very charitable and kind.

Rumors get started and take on a life of their own, so to speak. When I worked as a book editor, I also reviewed some books for a major outlet. Well, one was just terrible. It was horribly written, with a plot that was all over the place. It sold maybe ten copies, all to the author’s friends. The author was a very unstable woman with a borderline personality disorder. She accused me of having had a “love affair” with a convicted murderer (in for life) who went to prison before I was even born! (She said his attorney arranged for us to meet in a room off the visitors’ room.) She was writing this lie any place on the Internet she could. She filled in so many “details” she got others to believe her. Then they wrote about it on the Internet. We all know if something is on the Internet, it must be true! LOL She even posed as me and wrote emails to the criminal’s attorney. For a while, he actually believed it was me and told others I wrote him. I was even mentioned in the newspaper! All the time, the borderline personality writer was posing as someone who wanted to be my friend. So, when I found out who was doing this, I sued her, and of course I won. The criminal himself provided a notarized statement that we had never had any contact whatsoever. I had never been in the state where the criminal was housed. It took me three years to get all the trash off the Internet, but I did it. So, I know what libel is and isn’t and I know how rumors can seem to be true when there is not a shred of truth in them.

There is no reason why Pope Francis would keep a meeting with Kim Davis secret. He supports her decision not to issue marriage licenses to SS couples. We all know that.

I’m sorry, I’m still skeptical. It may be true, but I won’t believe it until I see photos or have official word from the Vatican. There are things about this that just don’t “sit right.” Sneaking into the building, embracing (the Pope doesn’t embrace grown women that I’ve ever seen unless they take the lead), the giving of rosaries, which both are immediately going to give away, etc. If Pope Francis ever gave me a rosary, I would treasure it for life even if I weren’t Catholic, which I am. No, sounds made up by her lawyer to me, and, as I said, a lie isn’t always libelous. It doesn’t harm the reputation of Pope Francis.

I looked at the news articles. All are carefully worded to say that “Kim Davis reports” or “Lawyers for Kim Davis report.” Nothing at all from the Vatican. Not one word.
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It is being reported as fact that Pope Francis called the mayor a “fake Carholic” to reporters on the airplane back to Rome.
 
meltzerboy said:
According to one reporter, Vatican sources have confirmed the visit (to him). Anyhow, have you ever known the media or lawyers to lie?
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Never! 😃
Lily_Bernans said:
Yet on the press conference on the plane trip home, when asked about Kim Davis, Pope Francis said he knew little about her case. Doesn’t sound like he met her to me. 🤷 And I do NOT believe our Holy Father lies. Not for a millisecond! I doubt that he would have a private meeting with someone he knows little about and give her and her husband rosaries he has blessed. Sounds fishy to me. And why would there be photos, but “in the possession of the Vatican?” The Holy Father didn’t mind taking “selfies” with anyone else. Maybe the spokespeople who would not confirm or deny did not know. Pope Francis does have a private life they don’t know about. He doesn’t have time for much of a private life, but he has a little.
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Well, if there was a “Vatican photographer”, perhaps the pictures well end up here:

photovat.com/PHOTOVAT/FRANCESCO/2015/9.SETTEMBRE/19092015_VIAGGIO/19092015_VIAGGIO.htm

Once the pictures are posted, we’ll have to look at those from September 24 at around 2:30pm.
 
coachkfan1 said:
It is being reported as fact that Pope Francis called the mayor a “fake Carholic” to reporters on the airplane back to Rome.
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Stefano Maria Paci, Sky News:
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… Also, the mayor of Rome, city of the Jubilee, declared that he came to the World Meeting of Families because you invited him. Can you tell us how it went?
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Pope Francis:
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I will start with your second question. I did not invite Mayor Marino. Is that clear? I didn’t do it and I asked the organizers and they didn’t invite him either. He came. He professes to be a Catholic and he came spontaneously. That’s the first thing. But it is clear, heh?..
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(Emphasis mine.) The Pope may not have called him a “fake” catholic, but he does call him a LIAR.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I don’t believe this story. I think its yet another fabrication on the part of the Liberty Council just like the 100K person rally for Kim Davis in Peru that never happened.
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I need more evidence that this is real also. I don’t trust articles like this that are online anymore.
 
According to the New York Times, this is what Vatican spokesman Fr. Lombardi said:

“I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add."
 
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