Pope Opposes Harry Potter Novels - Signed Letters from Cardinal Ratzinger Now Online

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To each their own but I personally trust Fr. Amorth’s views of the Harry Potter series. Fr. Amorth is the lead exorcist and he’s said those books are dangerous.

you said the Vatican and ‘the Pope’ aren’t the same thing. Unfortunately, that’s true.
 
I highly respect Fr. Amorth’s experience as Rome’s chief exorcist. I have no doubt that he knows far more about the supernatural and the demonic than I ever will.

But does he know more about Harry Potter than I do? They are, after all, two different topics. No matter how much of an expert someone is on the supernatural, he cannot apply his expertise to a specific topic unless he also is familiar with that topic.

And with all due respect to Fr. Amorth - assuming, of course, that these media outlets are reporting his views accurately - he clearly doesn’t understand very much about the Harry Potter series. I have read all the books several times. I have thought about them time and time again. I have read what others have to say on them. I have witnessed the effects reading Harry Potter has had on all my peers, as we have grown up reading the books.

Fr. Amorth is incorrect about the Harry Potter series. They are Christian children’s fantasy in disguise.

Please see my earlier posts (the posts directly before this thread’s resuscitation) for a more detailed refutation of the criticisms against Harry Potter.

And remember to check out this book if you want to learn more about the Christian imagery, symbolism, themes, and lessons found in the Harry Potter novels:

amazon.com/Looking-Harry-Potter-John-Granger/dp/1414306342/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219691749&sr=8-1

I - along with many others who have read the books - go much further than the usual assurances that the books are “harmless.” They are *not *merely harmless - they actively promote a Christian worldview and should be celebrated by Christians everywhere.
 
I would imagine that he has read the books and, therefore, is able to make an informed opinion about it, based on his expertise as lead exorcist of the Catholic church. The spells in the HP books are real spells used by wiccans. The Lord of the Rings series promotes Christianity and was deliberately written to do so. Not so with HP. BUT, to each his own. I obviously will not change your opinion, you cannot change mine. So let’s just agree to disagree and let God be the judge. God Bless.
 
The spells in the HP books are real spells used by wiccans.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Sorry, but no way. The spells in HP are complete fiction. Such a statement also exposes ignorance of Wicca, which is totally unrelated to the HP books.

Nohome
 
God will judge. I don’t think it will reflect negatively on me when I am judged if I haven’t read Harry Potter so I’m really not too worried about it. I’ve heard they are real spells, Fr. Amorth has spoken out against the books, that’s good enough for me to stay away from them. There is nothing you can say to change my mind…and vice versa…so we probably should just end this discussion. May God be with you.
 
I don’t think it will reflect negatively on me when I am judged if I haven’t read Harry Potter so I’m really not too worried about it.
And I am quite confident that it will not reflect negatively on me that I have read Harry Potter when I am judged. I can say the same about the fact that I have helped my children read the series. HP, Narnia, LOR and Star Wars all treat good and evil powers the same way.

The problem with HP is that church leaders freak when kids beg to read huge books. They assume, incorrectly, that if kids want to read them, something is wrong.

Nobody is going to force you to read the books, just don’t expect anyone to take you serious for criticizing something you know nothing about.

Nohome
 
…and criticisms won’t sway me, either. Maybe I DO know what I’m talking about and you’re the one who doesn’t. GOD WILL JUDGE. Enough. Go play with your kids.
 
The Lord of the Rings series promotes Christianity and was deliberately written to do so. Not so with HP.
As JK Rowling is a publicly professed and practicing Presbyterian (Church of Scotland) and especially in the 7th book, the parallels between Harry’s sacrifice and Christ’s are blindingly obvious, I think it would be safe to conclude that Rowling may very well have been not only writing from a Christian viewpoint, but even promoting Christianity and its ideals. She may never have publicly, explicitly said so, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the case. Maybe in the future she will enlighten all of us more on that part of her inspiration. Or she may not. I could be completely wrong… but having read the whole series, it’s hard to conclude that Christianity is not a major, driving force behind the philosophy expressed in the series, and especially by Harry himself.
 
Not at all! Why would I care? I hope we all make it there and live happily ever after 🙂
 
I would imagine that he has read the books and, therefore, is able to make an informed opinion about it, based on his expertise as lead exorcist of the Catholic church.
As lead exorcist of the Catholic Church, I would imagine Fr. Amorth has better things to do with his time. Of course, however, we can’t know for sure. Given what he has apparently said about the series, however, I am confident in my guess that he has not read the books, for the way in which the Christian worldview explicitly informs the world of Rowling’s series is nearly impossible to miss for anyone who picks it up and reads it.
The spells in the HP books are real spells used by wiccans.
No, this isn’t true in any way. The “spells” in Harry Potter are entirely fictional; in fact, the very system of “magic” in the books is entirely fictional and has no resemblance whatsoever to real-world magic. HP “spells” simply consist of Latin phrases that cleverly indicate - to the reader familiar with the language - what the spell does. For example, “Lumos” makes the user’s spell light up, providing him or her with a light source. “Petrificus totalus” paralyzes someone temporarily; “Accio + object]” causes that object to fly to you; etc.

This should not come as a surprise, as Rowling is an enthusiastic classical scholar and an ardent lover of great literature in general.
The Lord of the Rings series promotes Christianity and was deliberately written to do so. Not so with HP.
On the contrary - the plot structures, themes, and symbolism in the Harry Potter series are so demonstrably Christian that I am 100% confident in claiming that it is a provable fact that the Harry Potter series promotes Christianity just as much as The Lord of the Rings does.
BUT, to each his own. Let’s just agree to disagree and let God be the judge. God Bless.
Of course. 🙂 This is definitely a matter of prudential judgment, and we should all respect that. The facts that one uses to make this particular judgment, however, are clear.
God will judge. I don’t think it will reflect negatively on me when I am judged if I haven’t read Harry Potter so I’m really not too worried about it.
Of course. 🙂 No one is claiming otherwise; we are not arguing that it is bad not to read the books. Rather, we are simply arguing that the world of the Harry Potter series and the worldview espoused in the books clearly and demonstrably promote Christianity in specific, detailed, well-documented ways.
I’ve heard they are real spells.
Since you haven’t read the books, the misunderstanding is perfectly understandable. Now you know. 🙂
Fr. Amorth has spoken out against the books, that’s good enough for me to stay away from them. May God be with you.
I respect Rome’s chief exorcist by default, and nothing can change that. Still, “the argument from authority” is the weakest of all arguments (that’s a maxim of medieval philosophy), and if an otherwise solid appeal to authority is opposed by legions of data to the contrary, then coming to a conclusion in that case is easy.

That is my argument.
…and criticisms won’t sway me, either. Maybe I DO know what I’m talking about and you’re the one who doesn’t. GOD WILL JUDGE. Enough. Go play with your kids.
I realize this wasn’t directed at me, but I still want to assure you nonetheless that this isn’t personal. I do respect that this is a matter that individual Catholics can disagree on, and I do respect your involvement in this discussion. So no hard feelings. 🙂 It’s just that I think the hard evidence is quite clear.

God bless you as well.
As JK Rowling is a publicly professed and practicing Presbyterian (Church of Scotland) and especially in the 7th book, the parallels between Harry’s sacrifice and Christ’s are blindingly obvious, I think it would be safe to conclude that Rowling may very well have been not only writing from a Christian viewpoint, but even promoting Christianity and its ideals. She may never have publicly, explicitly said so, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the case. Maybe in the future she will enlighten all of us more on that part of her inspiration. Or she may not. I could be completely wrong… but having read the whole series, it’s hard to conclude that Christianity is not a major, driving force behind the philosophy expressed in the series, and especially by Harry himself.
Well said!
 
I respect Rome’s chief exorcist by default, and nothing can change that. Still, “the argument from authority” is the weakest of all arguments (that’s a maxim of medieval philosophy), and if an otherwise solid appeal to authority is opposed by legions of data to the contrary, then coming to a conclusion in that case is easy.

I realize you are not debating the importance of obeying the Magisterium because that would mean you are in schism with the Church. I also realize that Fr. Amorth is not the Holy Pontiff. But once again, he would know more about battles with the devil than you would and, again, I defer to his expertise before I would defer to yours. The case is easy and the evidence you have presented cannot combat it. God’s Blessings to you, too.
 
Well the thread may be four years but all the dire predictions have come true. Millions of teenagers have joined covens. Misdirected spells have resulted in parents being turned into ferrets, teachers being turned into stone and worst of all the construction of Quidditch fields have destroyed much of the landscape in rural America.

There is a major problem around schools with Owl dung and the return of house elves had put millions out of work. Meanwhile the do-nothing Congress refuses to create a Minister of Magic to reign in all this unauthorized magic.

All because so many of us did not panic over what we mistakenly thought were harmless children’s books. May God have mercy on our souls
 
Well the thread may be four years but all the dire predictions have come true. Millions of teenagers have joined covens. Misdirected spells have resulted in parents being turned into ferrets, teachers being turned into stone and worst of all the construction of Quidditch fields have destroyed much of the landscape in rural America.

There is a major problem around schools with Owl dung and the return of house elves had put millions out of work. Meanwhile the do-nothing Congress refuses to create a Minister of Magic to reign in all this unauthorized magic.

All because so many of us did not panic over what we mistakenly thought were harmless children’s books. May God have mercy on our souls
Funny!

Nohome
 
Funny!

Nohome
But we have more divorces, more abortion, more killings, more drug use, more alcoholism, more delinquency in juveniles, more graphic scenes on tv. All the devil’s handiwork and, no, I don’t blame Harry Potter for all our societal ills. I was just quoting an expert in the field, Fr. Amorth. If you have a beef with him, why not contact him directly?
 
But we have more divorces, more abortion, more killings, more drug use, more alcoholism, more delinquency in juveniles, more graphic scenes on tv. All the devil’s handiwork and, no, I don’t blame Harry Potter for all our societal ills. I was just quoting an expert in the field, Fr. Amorth. If you have a beef with him, why not contact him directly?
it’s no doubt it’s all Harry Potter’s fault. I mean if you wake up and find a Basalik crawling out of your toilet it could very well lead lead to drug abuse, alcoholism and the breakup of a marriage. And all that’s snogging in The Goblet of Fire and the Half Blood Prince would lead anybody to mindless lust and fornication

There is no need for me to contact Fr Amorth! Youve convinced I was a heretic. I got up this morning and began going door-to-door seizing copies of Harry Potter and burnng them in the street.

I don’t think we should stop with Harry Potter. For instance do you think you’re some kind of subliminal message to the children in the first Narnia book coming “out of the closet” in the last chapter? And how about Thomas luring a child into his house for “tea”.
 
Well the thread may be four years but all the dire predictions have come true. Millions of teenagers have joined covens. Misdirected spells have resulted in parents being turned into ferrets, teachers being turned into stone and worst of all the construction of Quidditch fields have destroyed much of the landscape in rural America.

There is a major problem around schools with Owl dung and the return of house elves had put millions out of work. Meanwhile the do-nothing Congress refuses to create a Minister of Magic to reign in all this unauthorized magic.

All because so many of us did not panic over what we mistakenly thought were harmless children’s books. May God have mercy on our souls
Very nice, Bob. One of my daughters is on Book 3, so who knows where that may lead? :eek:

“She turned me into a newt! …I got better.” 😛
 
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