Pope Pius XII Moves Closer to Beatification

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Actually all my posts were accompanied by references to internet sites. On those sites you will find references to documentation supporting the claims in the articles. It is you who on the one hand have made claims without showing their foundation while on the other hand making the specious argument that the Vatican is right to hide their archives concerning this period from researchers for “reasons of privacy”.

The plain fact of the matter is that many Catholics did act in a moral way. Some paid for it with their own lives. Others saved many lives. Pius could have acted with moral fortitude but chose not to.

Sainthood for Pius is an affront to those holocaust survivors alive today who were led to the camps while Pius remained silent and only began belatedly to take steps after it was clear that Germany would lose the war. Perhaps more importantly it is an affront to the families of all the righteous gentiles who had the courage to act.

“First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.”

Pastor Martin Niemöller
The truth of the matter is the Vatican archives confirm what we already know - the sanctity of the Servant of God Pius XII. Eugenio Zolli, was accused of converting because of His Holiness’ actions. He wrote his book, “Before the Dawn” to clarify that he did not convert because of Pope Pius XII but that he did take his name because of it. His conversion was a lifelong process of study.

ajcarchives.org/ AJC_D…45_7_Europe.pdf

Of the Catholic Church he said: “What the Vatican did will be
indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts . . . . Priests
and even high prelates did things that will forever be an
honor to Catholicism.”
Verification of this impression of the fine attitude and
behavior of the Italian people and the Catholic Church came
from other sources as well. From Jerusalem, the following
was sent to the New York Times:
"Many reports have been received here from Jewish
military chaplains serving in Italy and from Palestinian
Jewish soldiers of the sympathetic and helpful conduct of
the Italian people under the Fascist regime toward
persecuted Jewish inhabitants.
"These letters confirm that the Italians did all they
could to rescue and harbor Jews fleeing from oppression
and certain death, even providing false passports for
them under Italian names.
“The reports asserted that this was done with the full
knowledge and support of King Victor Emmanuel. It
also is known that many Jews found refuge in the papal
villa at Castel Gandolfo as well as inside Vatican City
itself.”
 
Chosen People, your posts are nothing more than revisionist history and you’re more interested in trotting out “victimhood” than in knowing the truth. How much longer are you going to continue to live in your broad deception? You are using the Holocaust and the issue of Pius XII as cover to pursue anti-papal, anti-Church agendas. It’s time to expose your bigotry for what it is. Either you are guilty of an appalling lack of historical knowledge of this era or you are willfully distorting the history of the period to fit your agenda. How easy it is to be an armchair quarterback.

Very early on the great German Catholic Cardinal Clemens von Galen thundered against the Nazis, especially their programs of euthanasia. What was the response? The Nazis pondered what to do about the Cardinal. They eventually retaliated by arresting and then beheading three parish priests who had distributed his sermon, but left the Cardinal unharmed to avoid making him into a martyr. Those Germans who actively resisted Hitler didn’t last long. This whole junk theory about Pius XII’s alleged Nazi sympathies came about in the US with the play, “The Deputy” back in the early 1960s. Unfortunately, once calumnies gain currency in the public arena they are very difficult to beat back.
 
Chosen People stated that “The Chief Rabbi of Rome abandoned the Jewish community to their fate, deportation and death, and ran and hid in the Vatican during the war. He was totally and completely ostracized by the entire Jewish community. You were welcome to him. Perhaps you can make him a saint.” However the chief rabbi of Jerusalem,Isaac Herzog, in 1946 had this to say about PiusXII:*** “The Jewish people very much remember with profound gratitude the help given by the Holy See to the people that suffered during the Nazi persecution.”
Profound thanks are given for the “thousands of children who were hidden in Catholic institutions,” ***and the rabbi requests that these children be returned to the Jewish people.

Herzog emphasized how Pius XII ***“has worked to banish anti-Semitism in many countries” ***and concluded with an invocation: ***“God willing, may history remember that when everything was dark for our people, His Holiness lit a light of hope for them.” ***
Pius XII took to heart the fate of these Jewish children and, in that same month of March, asked the Holy Office to study the case.
Subsequent to this letter the infamous letter that Chosen People mentions was written:
**
At least one document has surfaced that after the war Pius tried to prevent Jewish children in Catholic convents from being reunited with their families. The Finlay brothers case with the Church’s backing indicates additional support for this claim. There is evidence that the person who would become Pope John XXIII refused to obey Pius’ orders to prevent reunification.
**
However as other bloggers have pointed out the real letter said just the opposite of this. Pius XII ordered that they not be baptised and that they be returned to their families. This has been well reported in the news and should have been known to CP. So how many chief Rabbis living at the time of WWII and familiar with all the suffering can be wrong about PiusXII?
References:

 
Chosen People stated that “The Chief Rabbi of Rome abandoned the Jewish community to their fate, deportation and death, and ran and hid in the Vatican during the war. He was totally and completely ostracized by the entire Jewish community. You were welcome to him. Perhaps you can make him a saint.” However the chief rabbi of Jerusalem,Isaac Herzog, in 1946 had this to say about PiusXII:*** “The Jewish people very much remember with profound gratitude the help given by the Holy See to the people that suffered during the Nazi persecution.”
Profound thanks are given for the “thousands of children who were hidden in Catholic institutions,” ***and the rabbi requests that these children be returned to the Jewish people.

Herzog emphasized how Pius XII ***“has worked to banish anti-Semitism in many countries” ***and concluded with an invocation: ***“God willing, may history remember that when everything was dark for our people, His Holiness lit a light of hope for them.” ***
Pius XII took to heart the fate of these Jewish children and, in that same month of March, asked the Holy Office to study the case.
Subsequent to this letter the infamous letter that Chosen People mentions was written:

However as other bloggers have pointed out the real letter said just the opposite of this. Pius XII ordered that they not be baptised and that they be returned to their families. This has been well reported in the news and should have been known to CP. So how many chief Rabbis living at the time of WWII and familiar with all the suffering can be wrong about PiusXII?
References:
Catholic.net - Catholics on the net
The Catholic league has stated that the letter regarding baptized children not being returned to their parents is a fabricated document and not properly signed or addressed either.
 
Moscow’s Assault on the Vatican
The KGB made corrupting the Church a priority.

By Ion Mihai Pacepa

article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YTUzYmJhMGQ5Y2UxOWUzNDUyNWUwODJiOTEzYjY4NzI=

BATTLING THE CHURCH
In February 1960, Nikita Khrushchev approved a super-secret plan for destroying the Vatican’s moral authority in Western Europe. The idea was the brainchild of KGB chairman Aleksandr Shelepin and Aleksey Kirichenko, the Soviet Politburo member responsible for international policies. Up until that time, the KGB had fought its “mortal enemy” in Eastern Europe, where the Holy See had been crudely attacked as a cesspool of espionage in the pay of American imperialism, and its representatives had been summarily jailed as spies. Now Moscow wanted the Vatican discredited by its own priests, on its home territory, as a bastion of Nazism.

Eugenio Pacelli, by then Pope Pius XII, was selected as the KGB’s main target, its incarnation of evil, because he had departed this world in 1958. “Dead men cannot defend themselves” was the KGB’s latest slogan. Moscow had just gotten a black eye for framing and imprisoning a living Vatican prelate, József Cardinal Mindszenty, the primate of Hungary, in 1948. During the 1956 Hungarian Revolution he had escaped from jail and found asylum in the U.S. Embassy in Budapest, where he began writing his memoirs. As the details of how he had been framed became known to Western journalists, he was widely seen as a saintly hero and martyr.

Because Pius XII had served as the papal nuncio in Munich and Berlin when the Nazis were beginning their bid for power, the KGB wanted to depict him as an anti-Semite who had encouraged Hitler’s Holocaust. The hitch was that the operation was not to give the least hint of Soviet bloc involvement. The whole dirty job had to be carried out by Western hands, using evidence from the Vatican itself.

INFILTRATING THE VATICAN
“Seat-12” was the code name given to this operation against Pius XII, and I became its Romanian point man. To facilitate my job, Sakharovsky had authorized me to (falsely) inform the Vatican that Romania was ready to restore its broken relations with the Holy See, in exchange for access to its archives and a one-billion-dollar, interest-free loan for 25 years. (Romania’s relations with the Vatican had been severed in 1951, when Moscow accused the Vatican’s nunciatura in Romania of being an undercover CIA front and closed its offices. The nunciatura buildings in Bucharest had been turned over to the DIE, and now housed a foreign language school.) The access to the Papal archives, I was to tell the Vatican, was needed in order to find historical roots that would help the Romanian government publicly justify its change of heart toward the Holy See. The billion (no, that is not a typographical error), I was told, had been introduced into the game to make Romania’s alleged turnabout more plausible. “If there’s one thing those monks understand, it’s money,” Sakharovsky remarked."

THE KGB PRODUCES A PLAY
“In 1963, General Ivan Agayants, the famous chief of the KGB’s disinformation department, landed in Bucharest to thank us for our help. He told us that “Seat-12” had materialized into a powerful play attacking Pope Pius XII, entitled The Deputy, an oblique reference to the pope as Christ’s representative on earth. Agayants took credit for the outline of the play, and he told us that it had voluminous appendices of background documents put together by his experts with help from the documents we had purloined from the Vatican. Agayants also told us that The Deputy’s producer, Erwin Piscator, was a devoted Communist who had a longstanding relationship with Moscow. In 1929 he had founded the Proletarian Theater in Berlin, then sought political asylum in the Soviet Union when Hitler came to power, and a few years later had “emigrated” to the United States. In 1962 Piscator had returned to West Berlin to produce The Deputy.”


 
continued…

“The Deputy saw the light in 1963 as the work of an unknown West German named Rolf Hochhuth, under the title Der Stellvertreter. Ein christliches Trauerspiel (The Deputy, a Christian Tragedy). Its central thesis was that Pius XII had supported Hitler and encouraged him to go ahead with the Jewish Holocaust. It immediately ignited a huge controversy around Pius XII, who was depicted as a cold, heartless man more concerned about Vatican properties than about the fate of Hitler’s victims. The original text presents an eight-hour play, backed by some 40 to 80 pages (depending on the edition) of what Hochhuth called “historical documentation.” In a newspaper article published in Germany in 1963, Hochhuth defends his portrayal of Pius XII, saying: “The facts are there — forty crowded pages of documentation in the appendix to my play.” In a radio interview given in New York in 1964, when The Deputy opened there, Hochhuth said, “I considered it necessary to add to the play a historical appendix, fifty to eighty pages (depending on the size of the print).” In the original edition, the appendix is entitled “Historische Streiflichter” (historical sidelights). The Deputy has been translated into some 20 languages, drastically cut and with the appendix usually omitted.”

“Just a few days before Andropov’s admission, the former supreme commander of the German SS (Schutzstaffel) squadron in Italy during World War II, General Friedrich Otto Wolff, had been released from jail and confessed that in 1943 Hitler had ordered him to abduct Pope Pius XII from the Vatican. That order had been so hush-hush that it never turned up after the war in any Nazi archive. Nor had it come out at any of the many debriefings of Gestapo and SS officers conducted by the victorious Allies. In his confession Wolff claimed that he had replied to Hitler that his order would take six weeks to carry out. Hitler, who blamed the pope for the overthrow of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, wanted it done immediately. Eventually Wolff persuaded Hitler that there would be a great negative response if the plan were implemented, and the Führer dropped it.”


“A few years later, Pope John Paul II started the process of sanctifying Pius XII, and witnesses from all over the world have compellingly proved that Pius XII was an enemy, not a friend, of Hitler. Israel Zoller, the chief rabbi of Rome between 1943-44, when Hitler took over that city, devoted an entire chapter of his memoirs to praising the leadership of Pius XII. ‘The Holy Father sent by hand a letter to the bishops instructing them to lift the enclosure from convents and monasteries, so that they could become refuges for the Jews. I know of one convent where the Sisters slept in the basement, giving up their beds to Jewish refugees.’ On July 25, 1944, Zoller was received by Pope Pius XII. Notes taken by Vatican secretary of state Giovanni Battista Montini (who would become Pope Paul VI) show that Rabbi Zoller thanked the Holy Father for all he had done to save the Jewish community of Rome — and his thanks were transmitted over the radio. On February 13, 1945, Rabbi Zoller was baptized by Rome’s auxiliary bishop Luigi Traglia in the Church of Santa Maria degli Angeli. In gratitude to Pius XII, Zoller took the Christian name of Eugenio (the pope’s name). A year later Zoller’s wife and daughter were also baptized.”
 
Mit Brenender Sorge

"The experiences of these last years have fixed responsibilities and laid bare intrigues, which from the outset only aimed at a war of extermination. Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who “Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly” (Wisdom viii. 1)."

**“The peak of the revelation as reached in the Gospel of Christ is final and permanent. It knows no retouches by human hand; it admits no substitutes or arbitrary alternatives such as certain leaders pretend to draw from the so-called myth of race and blood. ****His command to hear the Church (Matt. xviii. 15), to welcome in the words and commands of the Church His own words and His own commands (Luke x. 16), is addressed to all men, of all times and of all countries. The Church founded by the Redeemer is one, the same for all races and all nations. Beneath her dome, as beneath the vault of heaven, there is but one country for all nations and tongue;”

**"To all those who have kept their promised fidelity to their Bishops on the day of their ordination; to all those who in the exercise of their priestly function are called upon to suffer persecution; to all those imprisoned in jail and concentration camps, the Father of the Christian world sends his words of gratitude and commendation."
 
The truth of the matter is the Vatican archives confirm what we already know - the sanctity of the Servant of God Pius XII. Eugenio Zolli, was accused of converting because of His Holiness’ actions. He wrote his book, “Before the Dawn” to clarify that he did not convert because of Pope Pius XII but that he did take his name because of it. His conversion was a lifelong process of study.

ajcarchives.org/ AJC_D…45_7_Europe.pdf

Of the Catholic Church he said: “What the Vatican did will be
indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts . . . . Priests
and even high prelates did things that will forever be an
honor to Catholicism.”
Verification of this impression of the fine attitude and
behavior of the Italian people and the Catholic Church came
from other sources as well. From Jerusalem, the following
was sent to the New York Times:
"Many reports have been received here from Jewish
military chaplains serving in Italy and from Palestinian
Jewish soldiers of the sympathetic and helpful conduct of
the Italian people under the Fascist regime toward
persecuted Jewish inhabitants.
"These letters confirm that the Italians did all they
could to rescue and harbor Jews fleeing from oppression
and certain death, even providing false passports for
them under Italian names.
“The reports asserted that this was done with the full
knowledge and support of King Victor Emmanuel. It
also is known that many Jews found refuge in the papal
villa at Castel Gandolfo as well as inside Vatican City
itself.”
Remarkably, according to you, documents in the Vatican archives support your contentions and negate claims against Pius and yet the Vatican refuses to publish these documents or allow their examination by researchers. I for one have no doubt that if the evidence was in favour of Pius there would be no hesitation or refusal by the Vatican.
 
Remarkably, according to you, documents in the Vatican archives support your contentions and negate claims against Pius and yet the Vatican refuses to publish these documents or allow their examination by researchers. I for one have no doubt that if the evidence was in favour of Pius there would be no hesitation or refusal by the Vatican.
That’s because you know nothing about the matter.

Remember we’re dealing with sensitive wartime documents here. There is barely a country in the world (and remember the Vatican is a nation-state as well as the headquarters of the Catholic Church) that wouldn’t still have WWII government records sealed up - in Australia many government records, regardless of their content, are as a matter of routine sealed for a minimum of 30 years.

Nothing particulary sinister about the Vatican following what is standard governmental procedure in a heck of a lot of countries.
 
Chosen People, your posts are nothing more than revisionist history and you’re more interested in trotting out “victimhood” than in knowing the truth. How much longer are you going to continue to live in your broad deception? You are using the Holocaust and the issue of Pius XII as cover to pursue anti-papal, anti-Church agendas. It’s time to expose your bigotry for what it is. Either you are guilty of an appalling lack of historical knowledge of this era or you are willfully distorting the history of the period to fit your agenda. How easy it is to be an armchair quarterback.

Very early on the great German Catholic Cardinal Clemens von Galen thundered against the Nazis, especially their programs of euthanasia. What was the response? The Nazis pondered what to do about the Cardinal. They eventually retaliated by arresting and then beheading three parish priests who had distributed his sermon, but left the Cardinal unharmed to avoid making him into a martyr. Those Germans who actively resisted Hitler didn’t last long. This whole junk theory about Pius XII’s alleged Nazi sympathies came about in the US with the play, “The Deputy” back in the early 1960s. Unfortunately, once calumnies gain currency in the public arena they are very difficult to beat back.
I would greatly appreciate your refraining from continuing personal attacks upon me including references to my lack of intelligence, lack of knowledge, lack of integrity and bigotry.
 
Moscow’s Assault on the Vatican
The KGB made corrupting the Church a priority.

By Ion Mihai Pacepa

article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YTUzYmJhMGQ5Y2UxOWUzNDUyNWUwODJiOTEzYjY4NzI=

BATTLING THE CHURCH
In February 1960, Nikita Khrushchev approved a super-secret plan for destroying the Vatican’s moral authority in Western Europe. The idea was the brainchild of KGB chairman Aleksandr Shelepin and Aleksey Kirichenko, the Soviet Politburo member responsible for international policies. Up until that time, the KGB had fought its “mortal enemy” in Eastern Europe, where the Holy See had been crudely attacked as a cesspool of espionage in the pay of American imperialism, and its representatives had been summarily jailed as spies. Now Moscow wanted the Vatican discredited by its own priests, on its home territory, as a bastion of Nazism.

Eugenio Pacelli, by then Pope Pius XII, was selected as the KGB’s main target, its incarnation of evil, because he had departed this world in 1958. “Dead men cannot defend themselves” was the KGB’s latest slogan. Moscow had just gotten a black eye for framing and imprisoning a living Vatican prelate, József Cardinal Mindszenty, the primate of Hungary, in 1948. During the 1956 Hungarian Revolution he had escaped from jail and found asylum in the U.S. Embassy in Budapest, where he began writing his memoirs. As the details of how he had been framed became known to Western journalists, he was widely seen as a saintly hero and martyr.

Because Pius XII had served as the papal nuncio in Munich and Berlin when the Nazis were beginning their bid for power, the KGB wanted to depict him as an anti-Semite who had encouraged Hitler’s Holocaust. The hitch was that the operation was not to give the least hint of Soviet bloc involvement. The whole dirty job had to be carried out by Western hands, using evidence from the Vatican itself.

INFILTRATING THE VATICAN
“Seat-12” was the code name given to this operation against Pius XII, and I became its Romanian point man. To facilitate my job, Sakharovsky had authorized me to (falsely) inform the Vatican that Romania was ready to restore its broken relations with the Holy See, in exchange for access to its archives and a one-billion-dollar, interest-free loan for 25 years. (Romania’s relations with the Vatican had been severed in 1951, when Moscow accused the Vatican’s nunciatura in Romania of being an undercover CIA front and closed its offices. The nunciatura buildings in Bucharest had been turned over to the DIE, and now housed a foreign language school.) The access to the Papal archives, I was to tell the Vatican, was needed in order to find historical roots that would help the Romanian government publicly justify its change of heart toward the Holy See. The billion (no, that is not a typographical error), I was told, had been introduced into the game to make Romania’s alleged turnabout more plausible. “If there’s one thing those monks understand, it’s money,” Sakharovsky remarked."

THE KGB PRODUCES A PLAY
“In 1963, General Ivan Agayants, the famous chief of the KGB’s disinformation department, landed in Bucharest to thank us for our help. He told us that “Seat-12” had materialized into a powerful play attacking Pope Pius XII, entitled The Deputy, an oblique reference to the pope as Christ’s representative on earth. Agayants took credit for the outline of the play, and he told us that it had voluminous appendices of background documents put together by his experts with help from the documents we had purloined from the Vatican. Agayants also told us that The Deputy’s producer, Erwin Piscator, was a devoted Communist who had a longstanding relationship with Moscow. In 1929 he had founded the Proletarian Theater in Berlin, then sought political asylum in the Soviet Union when Hitler came to power, and a few years later had “emigrated” to the United States. In 1962 Piscator had returned to West Berlin to produce The Deputy.”


One can only sympathize with your frustration with the myriad of liberal Jewish communist conspiracies being carried against you and good people everywhere in the the New York Times and other places in the Jewish controlled media.
 
That’s because you know nothing about the matter.

Remember we’re dealing with sensitive wartime documents here. There is barely a country in the world (and remember the Vatican is a nation-state as well as the headquarters of the Catholic Church) that wouldn’t still have WWII government records sealed up - in Australia many government records, regardless of their content, are as a matter of routine sealed for a minimum of 30 years.

Nothing particulary sinister about the Vatican following what is standard governmental procedure in a heck of a lot of countries.
If my math is correct the war has been over for more than sixty years and Pius has been dead almost fifty years. There is no Vatican army to the best of my knowledge.

However I agree that the various claims against Pius are indeed “sensitive” issues for a “saint”.
 
If my math is correct the war has been over for more than sixty years and Pius has been dead almost fifty years. There is no Vatican army to the best of my knowledge.

However I agree that the various claims against Pius are indeed “sensitive” issues for a “saint”.
Whereas we know everything there is to know about Churchill, Roosevelt or Stalin of course :rolleyes: - or more recent figures such as JFK even.

Army? No, the Vatican doesn’t have an army. Irrelevant. Pius and the Vatican were in constant contact with the leaders of many countries and privy to sensitive information from them. Of course the records relating to such are sealed
 
Hitler, a Catholic, in his early speeches (1920’s) often refered to Yehoshua bar Yosef driving the “money lenders” (read:Jews) from the temple. His edicts enclosing Jews in ghettoes, forcing them to wear a yellow star of david to identify themselves as Jews, stripping them of all legal and civil rights, were merely the revival of Catholic church edicts against the Jews.

Part of the tragedy of the Holocaust is that we speak of “righteous gentiles”. In a good society the righteous would not have been the exception but the norm.

There were brave and good Catholics who during the holocaust risked their lives acting heroically and morally. All evidence points to Pius not being one of them. The question is indeed not what Jews or others believe as to the worthiness of an individual for Catholic sainthood. The question is what Catholics wish to demand of themselves.
Hitler was not a Catholic at this time. He had stopped attending mass when he was in his teens. And was not of Pius’ jurisdiction. Hitler was as much a practicing Catholic as Stalin was a practicing Eastern Orthodox.
 
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