Pope shakes hands with woman priest

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apollos I am afraid I would have to agree. Instead of sitting around and waiting for a Pope, Bishop or Priest to make a mistake. Why not look at what God is doing among all of us. If a smile unites us than are we not to smile. So many people seem to be judging by pre vatican rules in the first place. Have you not read up on things and see the world with a more loving open mind. It does not mean abandoning our faith but realize someone is sitting next to us while we are trying to communicate with God. Do you know your neighbor??? Midget01:thumbsup:
 
The popes have shaken hands with Castro, Soviet leaders, Muslim leaders, the whole nine yards. It’s just courtesy, not an open approval or acceptance of the individual’s beliefs. Benedict XVI was just being friendly and corgial as he should be. I personally LOATHE the idea of women priests. It makes me naucious! But if I were in his shoes I couldn’t very well not acknowledge the lady as a human being and brush her off. If I had a policy of not shaking hands with people I don’t agree with, shoot, I’m going to have pretty clean hands! I rarely agree with anyone I work with or know outside my family! 😛
 
Love the sinner not the sin is our Christian motto and the Pope loves everyone including women that like to play priestessessesesss … 😃
 
NewEnglandPries said:
A little context here. The Holy Father was visiting Westminster Abbey. Dr Jane Hedges is the Canon Steward of Westminster Abbey. It doesn’t seem odd at all that she’d be there.
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Like I said, some people like to make mountains out of molehills!!, God Bless, Memaw
 
manualman said:
There is only ONE Church. But the Church often informally uses the term “churches” to refer to the local manifestation of THE church. If the leadership of your organization has not received the Sacrament of Holy Orders from a bishop with an unbroken line of succession from the apostles themselves, your organization is NOT a church, it is a christian ecclesial community.

The eastern orthodox have valid apostolic succession as do some schismatic groups like the Polish National Catholic Church (and arguably the SSPX). Their local communities can accurately be called churches.

Lutheranism (in my experience) does not consider ordination to be a sacrament and has discarded the necessity of unbroken apostolic succession. In formal terms, it’s not a church. But in practical everyday terms, there is no point in poking a stick in their eye over definitions. Let them call their leaders bishops and their communities churches if they like. One step at a time.
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I agree!, The Holy Father has set a beautiful example of reaching out to others with love, kindness, and TRUTH, respecting the good they have and do. God Bless, Memaw
 
sidbrown said:
I reported this as a item wothy of discussion. It happened and I don;t see why we cannot comment on it one way or the other. Some people might view this as controversial since the Vatican has come out and said that the ordination of women priests is gravely wrong. Others will see nothing wrong with it. I was at a funeral in an Episcopal Church recently and the Episcopal Mass was said by a female priest. I felt uncomfortable with the situation of a female priest, but I went along with it, since it was a funeral. But at the same time, it was running through my mind and I could not forget that the Vatican had said that it was gravely wrong to ordain women priests.
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If you DON"T have the Sacrament of HOLY ORDERS, then it doesn’t really matter who gets up and gives a sermon, I could even do that, as a matter of fact I do give ‘sermons’ frequently to my family, right at my dining room table. But we call them lectures! God Bless, Memaw
 
sidbrown said:
So you would say that this is only a Church law and not a moral law, and as such, can be changed sometime in the future, as other Church laws have been changed?
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No. Pope JPII spoke definitively about the matter and it cannot be changed in the future by another Pope. It is a definitive teaching.
 
Memaw said:
If you DON"T have the Sacrament of HOLY ORDERS, then it doesn’t really matter who gets up and gives a sermon, I could even do that, as a matter of fact I do give ‘sermons’ frequently to my family, right at my dining room table. But we call them lectures! God Bless, Memaw
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LOVE IT!!! :rotfl:

In Christ,

Ellen
 
wisdomseeker said:
yep. it seems that we have lost the Tradition of symbolism. there is a meaning for everything we do. at least it used to be for the CC. today, this is no longer the case, anything goes. it does not matter what we do today, all it matters that we show to be polite to each other. never mind what God has tought us.
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So you’re saying we’re not allowed to be civil to people of other faiths? Geez, there goes my having any relationship with just about my entire family (including the Baptist in-laws!).
Holidays are going to be lonely from now on. And how am I going to break it to my dh that we can no longer visit his family? (luckily he converted, or I guess we’d have to get divorced :eek:) :rolleyes:

In Christ,

Ellen
 
sidbrown said:
Pope Benedict XVI greeted and shook hands with a woman priest, Rev Dr Jane Hedges, canon steward of the Abbey. She is also a campaigner for women bishops. It is noteworthy that the Vatican has said that the ordination of women is a grave crime (July 15, 2010), but still the Pope shakes hands with a woman priest.
Please see:
telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/the-pope/8010064/Pope-shakes-hands-with-woman-priest-in-historic-service-at-Abbey.html
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Non-issue since she is Anglican and not Catholic.
 
thomasf said:
No. Pope JPII spoke definitively about the matter and it cannot be changed in the future by another Pope. It is a definitive teaching.
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John Paul II opined that it is unchangable. He did not infallibly declare that it is unchangable, leaving room for a future Pontiff to disagree. The current Pope agrees with John Paul II, but whether all Popes will agree forever remains to be seen.
 
Sidbrown, Jesus regularly ate with sinners.

Shaking hands with the woman "priest’ in no way signifies anything other than manners. She was presented to him, I suspect more for political reasons, than anything else. What would you have him do, refuse to acknowledge her presence?
 
As others have said, they Pope did not shake hands with a “woman priest,” as there is no such thing. He shook hands with a female Anglican minister who dresses up like a Priest.
 
sidbrown said:
Pope Benedict XVI greeted and shook hands with a woman priest, Rev Dr Jane Hedges, canon steward of the Abbey. She is also a campaigner for women bishops. It is noteworthy that the Vatican has said that the ordination of women is a grave crime (July 15, 2010), but still the Pope shakes hands with a woman priest.
Please see:
telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/the-pope/8010064/Pope-shakes-hands-with-woman-priest-in-historic-service-at-Abbey.html
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The Pope shook hands with a woman. There are no “women priests”. The Church doesn’t have the authority to ordain priests, as specified in Sacerdotalis Ordinatio by Pope John Paul II.

" Priestly ordination, which hands on the office entrusted by Christ to his Apostles of teaching, sanctifying and governing the faithful, has in the Catholic Church from the beginning always been reserved to men alone. This tradition has also been faithfully maintained by the Oriental Churches…

… Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful."

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